How to Regulate Your Emotions and Mental Chatter When Bad Things Happen | Maya Shankar
Episode
66 min
Read time
3 min
Topics
Career Growth, Health & Wellness, Relationships
AI-Generated Summary
Key Takeaways
- ✓Expansive Identity Building: Anchor self-identity to your why rather than what you do. When Shankar lost violin after a hand injury, she realized emotional connection drove her love for music. This why remained stable and guided her toward cognitive science and podcasting. Define yourself by core values like helping others or continuous learning, not job titles or roles, so identity survives when circumstances change.
- ✓Self-Affirmation Exercise: Spend five to ten minutes listing every identity that brings meaning or purpose not threatened by current change. Research shows this reduces denial by demonstrating how much of yourself remains intact despite loss. When facing relationship struggles, note strong spiritual life or valued work relationships. This technique makes people less prone to psychological immune responses that delay processing difficult changes.
- ✓End of History Illusion: People acknowledge past change but believe they are finished products now. Big life disruptions accelerate internal transformation, unlocking new perspectives and abilities. This bias causes catastrophic thinking about future adversity because you assume current self must handle future problems. Reality: you will become a different, more capable person through the pressure test of change itself.
- ✓Affect Labeling for Rumination: Name specific negative emotions like frustration, despair, or envy rather than experiencing undifferentiated negativity. Neuroscience research shows labeling reduces emotional intensity by shifting perception from being the emotion to having the emotion. This creates psychological distance. Pair with mental time travel by asking how you will feel about current preoccupation in five hours, five days, or five years to break mental prisons.
- ✓Distraction as Valid Strategy: Recent resilience research contradicts the narrative that healthy processing requires constantly confronting negative emotions. Individual differences determine effective responses. Studies show some people achieve better long-term outcomes using distraction without emotions resurfacing later. If persistent emotional confrontation works, continue. If not, engaging in activities like dance classes or hobbies represents legitimate coping without guilt or future consequences.
What It Covers
Cognitive scientist Maya Shankar discusses navigating adversity and change after losing her violin career at 15 and facing years of fertility struggles. She shares evidence-based techniques for managing rumination, catastrophic thinking, and self-identity threats when life disrupts planned futures. The conversation covers cognitive biases, psychological distancing methods, and building resilient identities anchored in values rather than outcomes.
Key Questions Answered
- •Expansive Identity Building: Anchor self-identity to your why rather than what you do. When Shankar lost violin after a hand injury, she realized emotional connection drove her love for music. This why remained stable and guided her toward cognitive science and podcasting. Define yourself by core values like helping others or continuous learning, not job titles or roles, so identity survives when circumstances change.
- •Self-Affirmation Exercise: Spend five to ten minutes listing every identity that brings meaning or purpose not threatened by current change. Research shows this reduces denial by demonstrating how much of yourself remains intact despite loss. When facing relationship struggles, note strong spiritual life or valued work relationships. This technique makes people less prone to psychological immune responses that delay processing difficult changes.
- •End of History Illusion: People acknowledge past change but believe they are finished products now. Big life disruptions accelerate internal transformation, unlocking new perspectives and abilities. This bias causes catastrophic thinking about future adversity because you assume current self must handle future problems. Reality: you will become a different, more capable person through the pressure test of change itself.
- •Affect Labeling for Rumination: Name specific negative emotions like frustration, despair, or envy rather than experiencing undifferentiated negativity. Neuroscience research shows labeling reduces emotional intensity by shifting perception from being the emotion to having the emotion. This creates psychological distance. Pair with mental time travel by asking how you will feel about current preoccupation in five hours, five days, or five years to break mental prisons.
- •Distraction as Valid Strategy: Recent resilience research contradicts the narrative that healthy processing requires constantly confronting negative emotions. Individual differences determine effective responses. Studies show some people achieve better long-term outcomes using distraction without emotions resurfacing later. If persistent emotional confrontation works, continue. If not, engaging in activities like dance classes or hobbies represents legitimate coping without guilt or future consequences.
- •Belief Interrogation Framework: Treat beliefs as testable hypotheses rather than immutable truths. Ask: How did I get from point A to point B in this thinking? What existing beliefs formed this new belief? What evidence would persuade me to change my mind? Most beliefs form through mental shortcuts, emotional states during information receipt, or cultural absorption rather than deliberate reasoning. Conduct belief audits to identify unfounded assumptions limiting well-being.
Notable Moment
Shankar describes experiencing a second miscarriage of identical twin girls and initially resisting her husband's suggestion to list things she felt grateful for, calling it toxic positivity. After reluctantly participating, she discovered the gratitude exercise created zoom-out perspective on her rich, multifaceted identity beyond motherhood, demonstrating how self-affirmation reduces acute loss feelings by revealing what remains intact.
Episode Transcript
If you're feeling bogged down by the impossible expectations or the noise of new year, new me, take a second to pause. Grow therapy gives you space to slow down, check-in, and start the new year from a more grounded place. Whether it's your first time in therapy or your fiftieth, Grow makes it easier to find a therapist who fits you, not the other way around. They connect you with thousands of independent licensed therapists across The US, offering both virtual and in person sessions, nights, and weekends. You can search by what matters, like insurance, specialty, identity, or availability, and get started in as little as two days. And if something comes up, you can cancel up to twenty four hours in advance at no cost. There are no subscriptions, no long term commitments. You just pay per session. Grow helps you find therapy on your time. Whatever challenges you're facing, Grow Therapy is here to help. Grow accepts over a 100 insurance plans, including Medicaid in some states. Sessions average about $21 with insurance, and some pay as little as $0 depending on their plan. Visit growththerapy.com/book now today to get started. That's growththerapy.com/book now. Growththerapy.com/book now. Availability and coverage vary by state and insurance plan. This is the Ten Percent Happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris. Hey, everybody. Okay. Here's the truth. We don't like this, but we know it's true. Bad shit is gonna happen to you, and it's gonna happen to the people around you. It's happened to you in the past, and you know it's gonna happen again. So the question is, how do you wanna handle it? Today, we've got a survival guide for navigating adversity. And just to say, if you're not in the middle of adversity right now, this episode also includes an enormous amount of practical tips for catastrophic thinking and worrying, which many of us do about potential future bad events. And, as many of you know, this type of catastrophizing is a salient feature of my own inner life with many, many deleterious effects. My guest is Maya Shanker. She's a cognitive scientist and creator of a podcast called A Slight Change of Plans. She served as a senior policy adviser in the Obama White House, where she founded and chaired the social and behavioral sciences team. And she's got a new book. It's called The Other Side of Change, Who We Become When Life Makes Other Plans. In this conversation, we talk about the two major life events that caused Maya to study the topic of change, how to build a more expansive sense of self, cognitive biases such as the end of history illusion. She talks about tools for getting unstuck from rumination, including affect labeling, mental time travel, and awe. She makes a a surprising case for the utility of distraction and denial, and much more. We got lots of meditations designed to help you navigate life's inevitable ups and downs and all of the, …
Get the full transcript (12,693 words) + summary by email — free
One-time email with the complete transcript and AI summary of this episode. No account needed.
One email, no spam. We’ll also show you what SignalCast does.
You just read a 3-minute summary of a 63-minute episode.
Get 10% Happier with Dan Harris summarized like this every Monday — plus up to 2 more podcasts, free.
Pick Your Podcasts — FreeKeep Reading
More from 10% Happier with Dan Harris
Top 10 Practices for Resetting Your Time, Space, Body, Inner Critic, and Social Life | Laurie Santos and Gretchen Rubin
Sep 9 · 62 min
The Mel Robbins Podcast
If Nothing Seems to Be Going Your Way, Listen to This
Mar 26
More from 10% Happier with Dan Harris
The Science Of Building The Life You Want | Arthur Brooks
Sep 7 · 82 min
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Dr. Maya Shankar: Does Change Make You Feel Lost Or Uncertain? (Use THIS Framework To Find Direction Again and Use Change to Upgrade Your Life!)
Feb 11
More from 10% Happier with Dan Harris
We summarize every new episode. Want them in your inbox?
Top 10 Practices for Resetting Your Time, Space, Body, Inner Critic, and Social Life | Laurie Santos and Gretchen Rubin
The Science Of Building The Life You Want | Arthur Brooks
The Psychology Of Success | Guy Raz
When Life's Not Working, Don't Try Harder. Change Your Situation Instead. | Angela Duckworth
The Science of Habit Change, Why GLP-1s are Disrupting It, and How To Use It To Have Better Conversations | Charles Duhigg
Similar Episodes
Related episodes from other podcasts
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Mar 26
If Nothing Seems to Be Going Your Way, Listen to This
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Feb 11
Dr. Maya Shankar: Does Change Make You Feel Lost Or Uncertain? (Use THIS Framework To Find Direction Again and Use Change to Upgrade Your Life!)
Masters of Scale
Jan 22
How to make smarter changes, with cognitive scientist Maya Shankar
Dare to Lead with Brené Brown
Nov 8
Brené with Dr. Maya Shankar on Courage in the Midst of Change
Feel Better, Live More
Mar 11
How to Handle Life When It Falls Apart: Rewire Your Beliefs, Calm Your Mind, Stop Ruminating & Move Forward With Confidence: Dr Maya Shankar #635
Explore Related Topics
This podcast is featured in Best Health Podcasts (2026) — ranked and reviewed with AI summaries.
Read this week's Health & Longevity Podcast Insights — cross-podcast analysis updated weekly.
You're clearly into 10% Happier with Dan Harris.
Every Monday, we deliver AI summaries of the latest episodes from 10% Happier with Dan Harris and 192+ other podcasts. Free for one show.
Start My Monday DigestNo credit card · Unsubscribe anytime