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TIP845: Copart Stock (CPRT): Is Copart Now a Buy? w/ Daniel Mahncke & Shawn O'Malley

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69 min

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Productivity, Relationships, Investing

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Key Takeaways

  • Land ownership as durable moat: Copart owns approximately 250 salvage yards globally while competitor IAA leases its land. This distinction matters because zoning permits for new salvage yards are increasingly difficult to obtain as cities expand. Jay Adair confirmed Copart no longer needs to spend the current $500M annually on land acquisition, potentially freeing $250M or more in annual free cash flow against a $1.2–1.3B FCF baseline.
  • Total loss frequency as structural tailwind: The percentage of accident claims insurers choose to total rather than repair rose from 8% to nearly 24% over 35 years. Modern vehicles packed with cameras, radar, and lane-assist sensors cost far more to recalibrate after collisions, making totaling economically rational. Each additional dollar Copart generates at auction makes totaling more attractive, creating a self-reinforcing cycle that competes directly against body shops.
  • Progressive Insurance concentration risk: One insurer, Progressive, now the largest US auto insurer adding 2.5–3M policies annually, sends roughly 75–90% of its volume to IAA rather than Copart. This single customer relationship explains most of Copart's US volume decline. IAA accepts significantly lower margins on Progressive business (15–20% EBIT vs. Copart's 36%), making it structurally difficult for Copart to win that volume back without sacrificing profitability.
  • Underinsurance cycle suppressing volumes: Between 2022 and 2024, US full-coverage auto premiums rose 46%, pushing roughly one-third of American drivers to drop coverage, raise deductibles, or go uninsured. CCC data shows uninsured or underinsured third-party claims nearly doubled to 16% by late 2024, and approximately 25% of repairs are now self-paid. Copart's own data confirms insured vehicles on the road dropped 4% year-over-year despite total vehicle counts rising.
  • International business as next growth engine: Copart's international service revenue grew nearly 20% while lower-margin vehicle sales revenue fell close to 20%, signaling successful conversion to the higher-margin fee model abroad. International EBIT rose 50% year-over-year versus under 4% for the US segment. Germany's adoption of the service model serves as a replicable blueprint, and with under 10% market share and no real European competitor, the international runway remains substantial.

What It Covers

Daniel Mahncke and Shawn O'Malley revisit Copart (CPRT), a salvage vehicle marketplace operating in a US duopoly with IAA, after the stock fell roughly 30% from highs. They examine whether slowing revenue growth, a CEO transition back to Jay Adair, Progressive Insurance's volume shift to IAA, and declining insurance coverage rates justify buying shares again.

Key Questions Answered

  • Land ownership as durable moat: Copart owns approximately 250 salvage yards globally while competitor IAA leases its land. This distinction matters because zoning permits for new salvage yards are increasingly difficult to obtain as cities expand. Jay Adair confirmed Copart no longer needs to spend the current $500M annually on land acquisition, potentially freeing $250M or more in annual free cash flow against a $1.2–1.3B FCF baseline.
  • Total loss frequency as structural tailwind: The percentage of accident claims insurers choose to total rather than repair rose from 8% to nearly 24% over 35 years. Modern vehicles packed with cameras, radar, and lane-assist sensors cost far more to recalibrate after collisions, making totaling economically rational. Each additional dollar Copart generates at auction makes totaling more attractive, creating a self-reinforcing cycle that competes directly against body shops.
  • Progressive Insurance concentration risk: One insurer, Progressive, now the largest US auto insurer adding 2.5–3M policies annually, sends roughly 75–90% of its volume to IAA rather than Copart. This single customer relationship explains most of Copart's US volume decline. IAA accepts significantly lower margins on Progressive business (15–20% EBIT vs. Copart's 36%), making it structurally difficult for Copart to win that volume back without sacrificing profitability.
  • Underinsurance cycle suppressing volumes: Between 2022 and 2024, US full-coverage auto premiums rose 46%, pushing roughly one-third of American drivers to drop coverage, raise deductibles, or go uninsured. CCC data shows uninsured or underinsured third-party claims nearly doubled to 16% by late 2024, and approximately 25% of repairs are now self-paid. Copart's own data confirms insured vehicles on the road dropped 4% year-over-year despite total vehicle counts rising.
  • International business as next growth engine: Copart's international service revenue grew nearly 20% while lower-margin vehicle sales revenue fell close to 20%, signaling successful conversion to the higher-margin fee model abroad. International EBIT rose 50% year-over-year versus under 4% for the US segment. Germany's adoption of the service model serves as a replicable blueprint, and with under 10% market share and no real European competitor, the international runway remains substantial.
  • Buyback signal and valuation framework: After five consecutive years without repurchases, Copart bought back over $1.6B in stock across two quarters, with $1.4B concentrated in the most recent quarter at near-cyclical lows. A reverse DCF at current prices implies the market prices in roughly 5% annual growth. At mid-single-digit growth, expected returns approximate 8–10%; a return to double-digit top-line growth would likely produce mid-to-high-teen annualized returns.

Notable Moment

The potential Copart acquisition of CCC Intelligent Solutions carries an embedded conflict: CCC's software determines whether insurers total or repair cars, which is precisely the decision that drives Copart's volume. The hosts note that owning the algorithm influencing that decision would raise serious regulatory scrutiny, even if manipulation were never the intent.

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Episode Transcript

You're listening to TIP. Welcome back to The Investors Podcast, episode eight forty five. And Sean, the last stock I pitched to you was Palantir. And that came as a surprise to many, but I was definitely surprised by the quality of the company, at least by the part that we could understand and that wasn't too technical for us. I've got to admit a little secret to you, Daniel. I still don't really know what ontology means, if we're being completely honest. Well, actually the weekend after our recording, I listened to a five hour long German podcast which also covered police work in Germany and they mentioned Palantir and that was quite fascinating. Daniel, five hours. Come on. I thought our breakdowns were getting a little lengthy. I'm guessing that you raced through it at like two times speed. 2.85. I actually got to say I love that YouTube feature where you can manually set the speed instead of having these 0.5 jumps. And I'm not even sure whether that's part of YouTube Premium or just normal YouTube experience. But anyway, the podcast was about a police officer who talked about how it took months to come up with a sort of mind map of a criminal organization and how if he would have been allowed to use Palantir, it would have simply taken him a couple of minutes. And that felt like a very tangible example of how just going through the databases of all of these agencies can simplify the day to day job of police officers, but also different security agencies. And that's basically, you know, the mind map that we talked about, the ontology that Palantir uses. But that was just my off topic tangent on Palantir. So let's go to today's company, which is Copart. Away we go. Since 2014, with more than 200,000,000 downloads, we have interviewed the world's best investors, studied deeply the principles of value investing, and uncovered many compelling investment opportunities. We focus on understanding businesses and intrinsic value, investing accordingly, and sharing everything we learn with you. This show is not investment advice. It's intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. All opinions expressed by hosts and guests are solely their own, and they may have investments in the securities discussed. Now for your hosts, Sean O'Malley and Daniel Manker. Perhaps we should start with our own history with Copart. You pitched the stock in October of last year and at that point Copart was already down 30% from all time highs. But as we know today, there was still some room for even more pullbacks beyond that. We don't try to time the market and we didn't sell because we speculated on where the stock was gonna go in the next few months. But it did feel like the right decision to free up some capital by selling Copart to invest it elsewhere. And the stock has had a rough time since then, which makes the decision …

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