Brené with Emmanuel Acho on Being Illogical

Hi, everyone. I'm Brene Brown, and this is Unlocking Us. We have a great guest on the podcast today. I'm talking again with my friend, Emmanuel Acho, about his new book, Illogical, Saying Yes to a Life Without Limits. We had him on last year. We talked about his incredible groundbreaking book, Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man. And now he's back to talk about his new book, which at first, I was like, there's some pretty controversial not controversial, but, like, turn things upside down thinking in this book. But as we talked about it, while it seemed illogical, made complete sense in many ways, which I guess is, you know, props to the title of the book. We talk about his take that goals setting goals, dumb. Goals are dumb. We talk about his real wisdom around naysayers and critics and cheap seats about how we can be open and receptive in the world, but at the same time, take care of ourselves and not get pummeled by, you know, advice and judgment from people whose opinions don't really matter to us. It's a really meaningful conversation. We have a ton of fun. I'm really glad you're here for it. At Criminal, we've made it a tradition every December to dedicate an episode entirely to animals who are really going for it. And Tony, what happened when you pulled over? Nothing out of the ordinary until I saw the cat on the back of the roof behind the luggage carrier. Listen to our fifth annual Animals episode on Criminal wherever you get your podcasts. Before we jump into the conversation, let me tell you a little bit about my friend, Emmanuel Acho. He is a number one New York Times best selling author. He is the host and producer of Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man. It's a groundbreaking online series that drives meaningful conversation around racial insensitivity and ignorance. It launched in 2020 with more than 80,000,000 views to date. That's so exciting. In 2021, Acho was named the host of ABC's The Bachelor after the final rose, and he received a sports Emmy for best emerging on air talent. He is a former NFL linebacker and has a master's degree in sports psychology from UT Austin. Hook them horns. Let's jump into the conversation. Okay. Yeah. I am loving Illogical. Tell me tell me. Well, first Tell me. First off, Renee, it's always a pleasure. Illogical truly is my favorite creation I've brought into this world. It's my favorite piece of content because it is most naturally me. What do you mean by that? You are just organically illogical? Yes. Meaning, like, everybody knows me primarily from uncomfortable conversations with a black man. Obviously, whether you saw the series that wins an Emmy or it winning its best selling books, whatever the case may be. People don't realize I started writing Illogical in April 2020. For those that need the timeline, remember George Floyd was murdered …