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Why Bitcoin Isn't Acting as Digital Gold & International Stocks Are Winning - Bits + Bips

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Ram Alwalia,David Dong

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68 min

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3 min

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Health & Wellness, Relationships, Investing

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Key Takeaways

  • Market Structure Bill Fragmentation: Six competing interest groups block crypto legislation progress including big banks relitigating stablecoin provisions from Genius Act, Citadel opposing crypto market structure changes, and judiciary committee members demanding inclusion. Policy solutions exist for stablecoin interest restrictions and regulatory exemptions under section 505, but Democratic representatives cannot overcome constituent association of crypto with Trump administration, making floor passage politically unlikely despite technical feasibility.
  • Community Bank Stablecoin Misconception: Small banks claim stablecoins threaten their deposit base, but data shows community bank deposit share dropped by half from 2009 to 2023, losing over one trillion dollars when stablecoins totaled only 100 to 200 billion dollars with 95% held by non-US persons. Mathematical impossibility of stablecoin causation reveals community banks blame external factors rather than addressing failure to modernize and attract younger customers through digital-first approaches like SoFi demonstrates.
  • International Equity Outperformance Trend: Mexico, Brazil, Germany, France, Canada, Israel, South Korea, Japan, and Vietnam all beat S&P 500 returns, with some markets up 70% versus US double-digit returns. Last comparable emerging market outperformance occurred after dot-com bust, and when international markets lead US by one year, trends persist multi-year. Money managers rotate capital away from US due to geopolitical uncertainty and tariff threats, reversing decade-long pattern of unhedged dollar exposure.
  • NYSE Blockchain Integration Impact: New York Stock Exchange develops platform for tokenized US equities and ETFs enabling twenty four seven trading, fractional shares, and near-instant settlement through InterContinental Exchange, a 90 billion dollar founder-led company. Integration validates blockchain as superior infrastructure for all assets, not just crypto trading, but raises questions about whether digital asset firms like Solana, Coinbase, or Jido can compete for customer relationships versus incumbent financial institutions controlling existing distribution channels.
  • Bitcoin Digital Gold Narrative Failure: Bitcoin fails to act as safe haven during geopolitical tensions while gold rallies, continuing 2025 trend break from fifteen year pattern. Dollar weakens against euro and other currencies contrary to historical flight-to-safety behavior, yet Bitcoin cannot capture flows. Market structure issues from October 10th liquidity crisis still impact price action despite gradual recovery. Institutional buyers who sold in Q4 have largely exited, preventing further downside below 93,000 range.

What It Covers

Crypto market structure legislation faces collapse as Coinbase withdraws support, citing conflicts over stablecoin yield and regulatory flexibility. Traditional finance institutions like NYSE announce blockchain integration plans while international stocks outperform US markets by significant margins. Trump's Greenland acquisition push and Fed chair uncertainty create additional market volatility amid shifting global capital flows.

Key Questions Answered

  • Market Structure Bill Fragmentation: Six competing interest groups block crypto legislation progress including big banks relitigating stablecoin provisions from Genius Act, Citadel opposing crypto market structure changes, and judiciary committee members demanding inclusion. Policy solutions exist for stablecoin interest restrictions and regulatory exemptions under section 505, but Democratic representatives cannot overcome constituent association of crypto with Trump administration, making floor passage politically unlikely despite technical feasibility.
  • Community Bank Stablecoin Misconception: Small banks claim stablecoins threaten their deposit base, but data shows community bank deposit share dropped by half from 2009 to 2023, losing over one trillion dollars when stablecoins totaled only 100 to 200 billion dollars with 95% held by non-US persons. Mathematical impossibility of stablecoin causation reveals community banks blame external factors rather than addressing failure to modernize and attract younger customers through digital-first approaches like SoFi demonstrates.
  • International Equity Outperformance Trend: Mexico, Brazil, Germany, France, Canada, Israel, South Korea, Japan, and Vietnam all beat S&P 500 returns, with some markets up 70% versus US double-digit returns. Last comparable emerging market outperformance occurred after dot-com bust, and when international markets lead US by one year, trends persist multi-year. Money managers rotate capital away from US due to geopolitical uncertainty and tariff threats, reversing decade-long pattern of unhedged dollar exposure.
  • NYSE Blockchain Integration Impact: New York Stock Exchange develops platform for tokenized US equities and ETFs enabling twenty four seven trading, fractional shares, and near-instant settlement through InterContinental Exchange, a 90 billion dollar founder-led company. Integration validates blockchain as superior infrastructure for all assets, not just crypto trading, but raises questions about whether digital asset firms like Solana, Coinbase, or Jido can compete for customer relationships versus incumbent financial institutions controlling existing distribution channels.
  • Bitcoin Digital Gold Narrative Failure: Bitcoin fails to act as safe haven during geopolitical tensions while gold rallies, continuing 2025 trend break from fifteen year pattern. Dollar weakens against euro and other currencies contrary to historical flight-to-safety behavior, yet Bitcoin cannot capture flows. Market structure issues from October 10th liquidity crisis still impact price action despite gradual recovery. Institutional buyers who sold in Q4 have largely exited, preventing further downside below 93,000 range.
  • Tariff and Fed Policy Uncertainty: Trump administration one-eighty reversal from dovish Kevin Hassett to hawkish Kevin Warsh as potential Fed chair creates maximum market uncertainty. Warsh opposed quantitative easing and balance sheet purchases, contradicting Trump's call for 200 billion dollar MBS purchases. With debt-to-GDP at 120% versus historical 10%, rate mechanics work differently where cuts could prove disinflationary and increases inflationary through treasury interest payment flows back to private sector, breaking traditional policy frameworks.

Notable Moment

Austin Campbell warns that regulatory clarity will force a reckoning where most crypto tokens go to zero while winners become very large, similar to 1990s tech companies. The end of hypothetical excuses under the Gensler regime means projects must prove actual utility and customer adoption. Winners will derive value from real usage rather than speculation, fundamentally reshaping which projects survive the transition to legitimate regulatory frameworks.

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Episode Transcript

Most tokens, I would guess, are going to go to zero and things are going to die, but the winners will be very big. Even if we do see a market structure bill, like, realized in 2026, let's say, I think the market hasn't priced it in yet. The difference also between now and most of the last seven months or so is that investors are all in the market, man. Investors are in. Right? There's no one off the sidelines now. I've talked often about this massive risk gap between twenty four seven markets and non twenty four seven markets. They just can't rebalance, and it's gonna lead to a massive crisis. So hat tip to our friends over at NYSI. Welcome to Bits and Bips where we explore how crypto and macro combine one basis point at a time. I'm gonna be your host today. I'm Chris Perkins, president of Coin Fund. Today, I'm with, as usual, Ram Alwalia, maestro of wealth, leader of Illumina. It's gone. And today, I am blessed to have my dear friend, David Dong, global head of research at Coinbase. Gentlemen, we're here to discuss the latest stories in the worlds of crypto and macro. And remember, nothing we say here is investment advice, and check out unchainedcrypto.com backslash bips and bits for more disclosures. Alright. Let's go to the break. Are you a builder who needs to add on chain trading to your product? The Uniswap trading API from Uniswap Labs offers plug and play access to some of the deepest liquidity in crypto. It's on chain execution at an enterprise level. More liquidity, less complexity. Visit hub.uniswap.org to learn more. Alright. Welcome back, everyone. There's a rumor, running around that the mad professor is gonna be joining us here in a second. But in the meantime, we wanted to jump right into the market structure build. Now this has been quite a drama. And last Thursday, David, your firm, Coinbase, publicly withdrew its support, calling the draft, quote, unworkable. Now hey. Hello, Austin. Now since that time, the Democrats, industry reps, and others have reopened their negotiations, and they're and and they're underscoring just how fragile this coalition is. But this is would have been the real the first real vote on the crypto framework. But it seems like, you know, we've talked about in this podcast that the empire is striking back. It seems like the banks, and Citadel are positioning themselves against crypto, and disputes are centered around things such as stable coin yield, market structure around equities, intermediary roles, and how much flexibility the regulators are gonna have vis a vis crypto regulations. Over the weekend, Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong rejected reports that the Trump administration may pull support, and he's called that the he said that the White House has been super constructive. Now, look, separately, new resistance has emerged from the senate judiciary committee. We had Chuck Grassley and Dick Durbin object to, to not being …

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  • Six competing interest groups block crypto legislation progress including big banks relitigating stablecoin provisions from Genius Act, Citadel opposing crypto market structure changes, and judiciary committee members demanding inclusion.
  • Traditional finance institutions like NYSE announce blockchain integration plans while international stocks outperform US markets by significant margins.
  • Integration validates blockchain as superior infrastructure for all assets, not just crypto trading, but raises questions about whether digital asset firms like Solana, Coinbase, or Jido can compete for customer relationships versus incumbent financial institutions controlling existing distribution channels.
  • New York Stock Exchange develops platform for tokenized US equities and ETFs enabling twenty four seven trading, fractional shares, and near-instant settlement through InterContinental Exchange, a 90 billion dollar founder-led company.
  • Crypto market structure legislation faces collapse as Coinbase withdraws support, citing conflicts over stablecoin yield and regulatory flexibility.
  • Integration validates blockchain as superior infrastructure for all assets, not just crypto trading, but raises questions about whether digital asset firms like Solana, Coinbase, or Jido can compete for customer relationships versus incumbent financial institutions controlling existing distribution channels.
  • Mathematical impossibility of stablecoin causation reveals community banks blame external factors rather than addressing failure to modernize and attract younger customers through digital-first approaches like SoFi demonstrates.

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