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Gold to $12,000 or “Sell Gold Today”? – Bits + Bips

66 min episode · 3 min read
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Charles Edwards,Ram Alawalio,Chris Perkins

Episode

66 min

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3 min

Topics

Investing, Fundraising & VC, Leadership

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Key Takeaways

  • Gold Price Trajectory: Gold historically experiences multi-year bull runs during periods of global instability, averaging 150% gains over three to eight year windows. At current levels around $5,000, historical patterns suggest potential movement to $12,000 based on previous cycles. However, $5,000 represents a psychological resistance level where markets typically reassess, and the asset appears overextended short-term after appearing on major financial publication front pages, signaling potential pullback before continuation.
  • Bitcoin Quantum Risk: Bitcoin faces a nonzero probability of quantum computers breaking its encryption within the timeframe needed to upgrade the network. Leading quantum companies forecast achieving 2,300 logical qubits (the threshold to break Bitcoin) within four to five years, with experts including Vitalik Buterin predicting capability before 2028. This creates a 20-30% probability discount on Bitcoin's valuation until developers establish a clear upgrade roadmap, capping institutional adoption despite fundamental strength.
  • China Military Consolidation: Xi Jinping eliminated six of eight top military commanders, leaving only the anti-corruption chief. This purge removes experienced combat veterans, creating short-term operational challenges for Taiwan action by the 2027 PLA centennial target. Medium-term, power consolidation enables more aggressive, abrupt decision-making without dissenting voices. The move parallels institutional fragility seen in autocracies lacking clear succession planning, increasing internal coup risk while projecting external strength.
  • Rate Cut Paradox: Rate cuts reduce income for holders of short-duration treasuries in an environment with massive debt outstanding, contradicting traditional stimulus effects. When the Fed cut rates in September and December, long-term bond yields increased rather than decreased, an unprecedented market response. This dynamic particularly impacts baby boomers holding T-bills, reducing their discretionary spending capacity and creating deflationary rather than inflationary pressure through the income channel.
  • Central Bank Positioning: China increased gold reserves tenfold over two years, yet maintains only 10% gold allocation versus 80% for the United States. Given China's economy represents two-thirds of US size, this allocation gap suggests substantial continued accumulation ahead. Central banks globally prioritize gold over Bitcoin due to institutional familiarity and perceived trustlessness, though this represents a generational knowledge gap as younger decision-makers enter positions of authority.

What It Covers

Charles Edwards joins to analyze gold's surge past $5,100, Bitcoin's quantum computing vulnerability, and global geopolitical instability. The discussion covers central bank gold accumulation, China's military purge, potential Iran intervention, rate cut implications, and why trustless assets gain importance as the post-World War II order fragments into realpolitik-driven realignments.

Key Questions Answered

  • Gold Price Trajectory: Gold historically experiences multi-year bull runs during periods of global instability, averaging 150% gains over three to eight year windows. At current levels around $5,000, historical patterns suggest potential movement to $12,000 based on previous cycles. However, $5,000 represents a psychological resistance level where markets typically reassess, and the asset appears overextended short-term after appearing on major financial publication front pages, signaling potential pullback before continuation.
  • Bitcoin Quantum Risk: Bitcoin faces a nonzero probability of quantum computers breaking its encryption within the timeframe needed to upgrade the network. Leading quantum companies forecast achieving 2,300 logical qubits (the threshold to break Bitcoin) within four to five years, with experts including Vitalik Buterin predicting capability before 2028. This creates a 20-30% probability discount on Bitcoin's valuation until developers establish a clear upgrade roadmap, capping institutional adoption despite fundamental strength.
  • China Military Consolidation: Xi Jinping eliminated six of eight top military commanders, leaving only the anti-corruption chief. This purge removes experienced combat veterans, creating short-term operational challenges for Taiwan action by the 2027 PLA centennial target. Medium-term, power consolidation enables more aggressive, abrupt decision-making without dissenting voices. The move parallels institutional fragility seen in autocracies lacking clear succession planning, increasing internal coup risk while projecting external strength.
  • Rate Cut Paradox: Rate cuts reduce income for holders of short-duration treasuries in an environment with massive debt outstanding, contradicting traditional stimulus effects. When the Fed cut rates in September and December, long-term bond yields increased rather than decreased, an unprecedented market response. This dynamic particularly impacts baby boomers holding T-bills, reducing their discretionary spending capacity and creating deflationary rather than inflationary pressure through the income channel.
  • Central Bank Positioning: China increased gold reserves tenfold over two years, yet maintains only 10% gold allocation versus 80% for the United States. Given China's economy represents two-thirds of US size, this allocation gap suggests substantial continued accumulation ahead. Central banks globally prioritize gold over Bitcoin due to institutional familiarity and perceived trustlessness, though this represents a generational knowledge gap as younger decision-makers enter positions of authority.
  • Realpolitik Investment Framework: The shift from idealism to realpolitik in international relations creates demand for trustless, permissionless systems as traditional alliances fragment. Every major alliance undergoes renegotiation, with power consolidating wherever possible. This environment favors assets independent of sovereign control, including gold, copper, and eventually cryptocurrency once quantum risks resolve. International stocks, particularly in markets like Chile, outperform US equities as regional currencies realign and capital seeks diversification beyond dollar dominance.

Notable Moment

Charles Edwards argues Bitcoin lost its trustless property due to quantum threats, while gold remains genuinely trustless. He notes gold added the equivalent of Bitcoin's entire market capitalization in a single day, demonstrating the magnitude gap between asset classes. Edwards shifted from being completely Bitcoin-focused five years ago to viewing quantum risk as the primary factor capping price until developers implement solutions.

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Episode Transcript

I think rates cuts are bad for risk assets. We've really arrived at this realpolitik moment. Realpolitik is is the norm. I think gold is trustless. Bitcoin isn't anymore because of the quantum threat. Alright, everybody. Welcome to Bits and Bips where we explore how crypto and macro collide one basis point at a time. I'm your host, Austin Campbell, high scholar zero knowledge group. I have survived the overwhelming slash maybe just whelming amount of snow that we've received here in New York along with Ram Alawalio, maester of wealth, the leader of Lumida, and Chris Perkins, the golden ant previously of Coin Fund, but now an exciting spin off. Today, we're joined by Charles Edwards, founder and CIO of Capriolet. Did I pronounce that correct, Charles? Yep. Capriolet. Excellent. We're here to discuss the latest stories in the worlds of crypto and macro, but first, I have to give you the disclaimer. Nothing we say here is investment advice. Check unchainedcrypto.com/bitsandbips for more disclosures. If crypto taxes feel overwhelming, you are not alone. That's why Crypto Tax Girl, a team that's been helping crypto investors since 2017, is offering $100 off on one on one crypto tax help. To get $100 off your crypto tax services, go to cryptotaxgirl.com/unchained. Again, that's cryptotaxgirl.com/unchained. Good news today, though. We're gonna be heavy on the back row with everything that is going on in the world. All of us were chatting pre roll. And in addition to the conclusion that we're living at opposite ends of the temperature spectrum as three of us are under many, many inches of snow and one of us is possibly currently on fire if he goes outside, the world is also a little bit on fire. So, guys, I'm gonna go over some of the major headlines, and we could pick and choose where we wanna start, but I have things to say on almost all of these. One, Bitcoin is behaving like a risk off asset right now. As I eyeball the screen, it's hanging around at 88 k and not doing much. Ether has underperformed a bit. Macrocatalysts have been all over the map. We have Trump floating tariffs on Canadian imports because of an alleged deal with China. Kearney refuting that deal. US warships and equipment allegedly moving towards Iran. US government shutdown odds are now cranking upwards for January 31. We have potential FX intervention with Japan. We have gold above 5,100 an ounce for the first time and silver hitting record highs before retracing heavily today. Where do we wanna start at all of those things? Ram, what's caught your attention the most? I think I think you opened it up well. There's this quote, about sometimes you get ten years happening in in ten weeks. Make that one week. Right? You got a lot of change, a lot of transformation happening so much. Where to where to begin? You've got, I think Davos was the the highlight last week. …

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