881: I Want What I Want
Episode
61 min
Read time
3 min
Topics
Remote Work, Relationships, Psychology & Behavior
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Deliberate exposure to discomfort: Beekeeper Nehemiah Ray demonstrates that allowing children to voluntarily face feared experiences — rather than shielding them — builds genuine pride and competence. His son Carver chose to be stung, endured it, and immediately declared personal victory. The key distinction is consent and preparation: Nehemiah explained the pain honestly beforehand, making the experience transformative rather than traumatic.
- ✓Gluttony vs. greed as distinct values: Comedian John Tato draws a concrete philosophical line between gluttony — full sensory engagement with life's pleasures at personal cost — and greed, which extracts value from others while appearing moderate. He cites 19th-century oyster thief Edward Dando, who returned to oyster restaurants on the literal day of each prison release, as a model of self-knowing commitment to personal joy over social approval.
- ✓Ignoring physical warning signs has a documented ceiling: Tato performed Edinburgh Fringe shows for seven to eight days while his appendix had already ruptured and was disintegrating inside his body — a condition called intra-abdominal sepsis. His surgeon stated that in 25 years of practice, no patient had arrived that late with appendicitis. One additional day would have been fatal. Dedication to commitments must include a threshold for medical reality.
- ✓Unresolved relationship questions have a practical resolution method: Evan Roberts systematically contacted all 17 of his former partners over several years to gain closure and understanding. The process revealed that his most painful breakup — with a man named Keith — stemmed from a single miscommunicated moment where Evan's request to "take things slowly" was interpreted as a permanent friend-zone rejection, not cautious enthusiasm. Direct conversation resolved 16 years of unanswered questions.
- ✓Memory asymmetry in relationships is common and clarifying: During Evan and Keith's two-hour Zoom call, Keith failed to recall multiple significant shared memories, including an elaborate matchstick message he had created spelling out a romantic phrase. This asymmetry — where one person carries detailed emotional inventory while the other has largely moved on — is itself useful data. Recognizing it helped Evan understand that his sustained pain was not evidence of Keith's cruelty, but of differing attachment styles.
What It Covers
This American Life episode 881 explores unconventional personal choices through three stories: a Georgia beekeeper father who lets his six-year-old son experience a bee sting by choice, British comedian John Tato's near-fatal appendicitis during Edinburgh Fringe, and a federal Texas antifa trial derailed by a judge's mistrial declaration over a defense attorney's civil rights-themed shirt.
Key Questions Answered
- •Deliberate exposure to discomfort: Beekeeper Nehemiah Ray demonstrates that allowing children to voluntarily face feared experiences — rather than shielding them — builds genuine pride and competence. His son Carver chose to be stung, endured it, and immediately declared personal victory. The key distinction is consent and preparation: Nehemiah explained the pain honestly beforehand, making the experience transformative rather than traumatic.
- •Gluttony vs. greed as distinct values: Comedian John Tato draws a concrete philosophical line between gluttony — full sensory engagement with life's pleasures at personal cost — and greed, which extracts value from others while appearing moderate. He cites 19th-century oyster thief Edward Dando, who returned to oyster restaurants on the literal day of each prison release, as a model of self-knowing commitment to personal joy over social approval.
- •Ignoring physical warning signs has a documented ceiling: Tato performed Edinburgh Fringe shows for seven to eight days while his appendix had already ruptured and was disintegrating inside his body — a condition called intra-abdominal sepsis. His surgeon stated that in 25 years of practice, no patient had arrived that late with appendicitis. One additional day would have been fatal. Dedication to commitments must include a threshold for medical reality.
- •Unresolved relationship questions have a practical resolution method: Evan Roberts systematically contacted all 17 of his former partners over several years to gain closure and understanding. The process revealed that his most painful breakup — with a man named Keith — stemmed from a single miscommunicated moment where Evan's request to "take things slowly" was interpreted as a permanent friend-zone rejection, not cautious enthusiasm. Direct conversation resolved 16 years of unanswered questions.
- •Memory asymmetry in relationships is common and clarifying: During Evan and Keith's two-hour Zoom call, Keith failed to recall multiple significant shared memories, including an elaborate matchstick message he had created spelling out a romantic phrase. This asymmetry — where one person carries detailed emotional inventory while the other has largely moved on — is itself useful data. Recognizing it helped Evan understand that his sustained pain was not evidence of Keith's cruelty, but of differing attachment styles.
- •Judicial mistrial declarations carry political interpretation risk: Federal Judge Mark Pittman declared a mistrial in the high-profile Texas antifa case on the first day of jury selection, citing a defense attorney's civil rights leaders shirt as jury-influencing. However, 18 to 20 of roughly 75 potential jurors had expressed strong anti-ICE sentiment beforehand. Legal observers noted multiple lesser remedies existed — sanctions, fines, jury instructions — making the nuclear mistrial option appear disproportionate and potentially motivated by jury composition concerns.
Notable Moment
After surviving a ruptured, fully disintegrated appendix — a condition his surgeon called the most extreme late-presentation case in 25 years — comedian John Tato's immediate mental response upon being told he nearly died was to conclude that his decision not to cancel the previous night's show had been vindicated by his survival timing.
Episode Transcript
Support for This American Life comes from Schwab. At Schwab, how you invest is your choice, not theirs. That's why when it comes to managing your wealth, Schwab gives you more choices. You can invest in trade on your own, plus get advice and more comprehensive wealth solutions to help meet your unique needs. With award winning service, low costs, and transparent advice, you can manage your wealth your way at Schwab. Visit schwab.com to learn more. A quick warning, there are curse words that are unbeeped in today's episode of the show. If you prefer a beeped version, you can find that at our website, this americanlife.org. There's a new format that's in, festivals called The Boys and the Bees. Just won a prize at Sundance. It's about a real family with two sons. The dad's a beekeeper in Georgia. And, I talked to the filmmaker Ariel Knight. She pointed out the two boys are very different. Carver's six. Arrow's four. Arrow is the youngest, and he's kind of always bouncing around. He's he's comedic relief in the film. Mhmm. And Carver is the oldest, and he's a lot more serious. He's a lot more thoughtful. Carver's the one who reminds little brother what the rules are. Arrow just breezes past them. And the way all this plays out in this family of beekeepers Arrow has been stung many, many times by bees, and Carver has never been stung. And how do you explain that? I mean, you know, Carver is probably always paying attention, taking his time, moving slowly. Fool's follower. Exactly. And Arrow just sort of puts on his suit too fast and there's a bee in there or, you know, he steps somewhere where he shouldn't or he's just you know? They have parents who have made a very deliberate choice to spend a ton of time with their kids, bird watching and fishing and going through the woods and lifting up rocks to see what's underneath them, explaining everything about nature. And there's a scene that Ariel captured on film of the boys with her dad, Nehemiah. So we were wrapping up filming for the day, and Nehemiah, usually in the evening, will check on the bees. So he's checking on the bees. He's lifting the racks of beehives out of their boxes, And then he gets stung. Ouch. I got me. You boys back up though. I don't you all don't have a suit on you. And it just stung me, so I don't want you to get stung. But what does it feel like? Hurt so bad? I mean, you can handle it. Carver creeps up to his dad and says something that I couldn't hear in the moment, but that Nehemiah repeats and he says, you wanna get stung? Yeah. Everybody been in my in my family except for me. I don't know if mommy would want you to get intentionally stung. It kinda hurts, boy. It kinda hurts. Mommy, motherfucker. I …
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