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The Split Vote: UroGen and the FDA

23 min episode · 2 min read
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Liz Barrett

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23 min

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2 min

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Health & Wellness, Investing, Leadership

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Key Takeaways

  • FDA Advisory Panel Composition Risk: UroGen faced an oncology advisory committee with only two urologists among nine voters for a urothelial cancer drug. The remaining seven oncology specialists lacked expertise in low-grade bladder cancers, repeatedly confusing disease progression patterns. Companies should advocate for specialist representation matching their therapeutic area before ODAC meetings to avoid knowledge gaps affecting votes.
  • RTGel Delivery Technology: The reverse thermal gel remains liquid when chilled below body temperature, then solidifies at 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit inside the bladder. This polymer-based system releases mitomycin C chemotherapy locally over several hours, eliminating systemic side effects while patients walk out immediately after fifteen-minute treatments. The six-week once-weekly protocol requires no recovery time versus surgical tumor removal.
  • Post-Rejection FDA Strategy: After the split vote, Barrett immediately contacted regulators within hours rather than accepting defeat. The company secured an in-person meeting within ten days, where they challenged the FDA's contradictory messaging about randomized trials versus single-arm study approvals. This direct engagement resulted in a draft approval label the same day, demonstrating persistence can reverse negative advisory outcomes.
  • Commercial Complexity in Specialty Procedures: Self-commercializing a procedure-based drug requires addressing operational burdens physicians face with mixing, chilling, and administering treatments versus simple pills or infusions. UroGen underestimated these logistical challenges with their first drug Jelmido, learning that seamless practice integration matters more than clinical efficacy data when changing physician behavior from surgical standards of care.
  • Leadership Through Regulatory Uncertainty: Barrett maintained investor confidence during a mandatory quiet period between FDA meeting and approval by acknowledging a path forward without revealing confidential negotiations. She simultaneously prepared commercial teams for launch without confirmation, balancing legal disclosure limits with organizational momentum. This approach prevented panic selling while preserving regulatory compliance during the ten-day blackout window.

What It Covers

UroGen Pharma CEO Liz Barrett recounts navigating a split 4-5 FDA advisory committee vote for bladder cancer drug Jelmido, where only two of nine panelists were urologists. She details the ten-day period after the negative vote, strategic FDA negotiations, and ultimate approval despite stock dropping 50 percent.

Key Questions Answered

  • FDA Advisory Panel Composition Risk: UroGen faced an oncology advisory committee with only two urologists among nine voters for a urothelial cancer drug. The remaining seven oncology specialists lacked expertise in low-grade bladder cancers, repeatedly confusing disease progression patterns. Companies should advocate for specialist representation matching their therapeutic area before ODAC meetings to avoid knowledge gaps affecting votes.
  • RTGel Delivery Technology: The reverse thermal gel remains liquid when chilled below body temperature, then solidifies at 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit inside the bladder. This polymer-based system releases mitomycin C chemotherapy locally over several hours, eliminating systemic side effects while patients walk out immediately after fifteen-minute treatments. The six-week once-weekly protocol requires no recovery time versus surgical tumor removal.
  • Post-Rejection FDA Strategy: After the split vote, Barrett immediately contacted regulators within hours rather than accepting defeat. The company secured an in-person meeting within ten days, where they challenged the FDA's contradictory messaging about randomized trials versus single-arm study approvals. This direct engagement resulted in a draft approval label the same day, demonstrating persistence can reverse negative advisory outcomes.
  • Commercial Complexity in Specialty Procedures: Self-commercializing a procedure-based drug requires addressing operational burdens physicians face with mixing, chilling, and administering treatments versus simple pills or infusions. UroGen underestimated these logistical challenges with their first drug Jelmido, learning that seamless practice integration matters more than clinical efficacy data when changing physician behavior from surgical standards of care.
  • Leadership Through Regulatory Uncertainty: Barrett maintained investor confidence during a mandatory quiet period between FDA meeting and approval by acknowledging a path forward without revealing confidential negotiations. She simultaneously prepared commercial teams for launch without confirmation, balancing legal disclosure limits with organizational momentum. This approach prevented panic selling while preserving regulatory compliance during the ten-day blackout window.

Notable Moment

When the advisory committee vote concluded with a narrow loss, Barrett closed her eyes and dropped her head, maintaining a neutral expression to avoid giving observers any signals. The stock plummeted over 50 percent to four dollars per share. Within hours, she called the chairman who recruited her, hearing the same persistence he used years earlier: refuse to accept no for an answer.

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Episode Transcript

There are nine jurors in a room. Your job? Convince this advisory committee of your drug's safety, that the benefit outweighs the risks. But here's the challenge. Only two of those jurors actually understand how your drug works and the system in the body that it targets. They're specialists. The other seven are not. Under these circumstances, how do you convince a regulatory body that your drug is not only safe, but it's an essential therapy that changes the treatment paradigm and will transform patients' lives. I'm your host, Stephanie Sirota, partner and chief business officer at RTW Investments. And today, I'm excited to welcome the CEO of UroGen Pharma, Liz Barrett. Before that, she served as CEO of Novartis Oncology and also held several senior leadership roles at Pfizer. Liz, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. And, I have PTSD from your introduction. Well, good. We're gonna get into that. So tell us a little bit about your pharma journey. What is it like to climb the corporate ladder at a large company, and what do you attribute your success to both at Pfizer and Novartis? I would have never guessed I would be where I am today. I started my career at Kraft Foods and then went to Johnson and Johnson. Their biggest business was the pharmaceutical business. I always joke that I used to think it was really important what kind of toothbrush you use because I was the, you know, brand director on Reach toothbrushes. I actually started reaching out to people on the pharmaceutical side. I started at a small company called Ortho Biotech. My sort of claim to fame is I launched the first DTC ever in oncology. It's hard to work in cancer and not feel very personal about it because either you experience it, someone close in your family, or you know someone who has had cancer. When I started in cancer thirty years ago, five year survival was actually very low. I felt like I was given an opportunity and my career decisions have always been around where can I make the biggest impact and am I being challenged? Am I learning? Am I giving? Was it hard for you to make the transition from big pharma to biotech? Actually, it wasn't. I've been able to be successful in large companies, but also had this in my mind that I would one day do the biotech thing. I was having too much fun. You know, things were going well. I was was continuing to grow. When I got the call, I said, well, you know, I'm not, I'm not really ready at this time. And, you know, Ari, who's our chairman, he just said, just come in and talk to us. And it was really after speaking to our chief medical officer, Mark Schomburg, who's still a practicing urologist, I was like, I've been in cancer for thirty years and I …

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    UroGen Pharma CEO Liz Barrett recounts navigating a split 4-5 FDA advisory committee vote for bladder cancer drug Jelmido, where only two of nine panelists were urologists.
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    RTGel Delivery Technology: The reverse thermal gel remains liquid when chilled below body temperature, then solidifies at 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit inside the bladder. This polymer-based system releases mitomycin C chemotherapy locally over several hours.

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