Fizzy Q's and A's

Welcome to Rework, a podcast by thirty seven Signals about the better way to work and run your business. I'm Kimberly Rhodes from the thirty seven Signals team joined by our cofounders, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hanssen. We've been talking a lot about a future product we have coming out called Fizzy, and we've gotten a couple of questions either from our YouTube videos. Jason's been doing some posting on x, but I'd pull some of those out and let you guys answer those directly. So the first one is from YouTube. Someone wrote, something that just passed through my mind isn't Fizzy a potential base camp competitor. What are you guys' thoughts about that? Sure. Maybe, maybe not. I I I don't really care because they're both ours in a sense. But, really, they're quite different in scope and scale. I mean, Basecamp is something you can run your entire business on. It has all the different tools you might need. Fizzy is not that kind of thing. You can run a lot of stuff with it. But, hey, choose whichever one you want, and we're happy to have you as a customer is the way I look at it. So I I think that something and someone and somewhere is always competing with you and might as well be yourself if if that's kind of one of the outcomes. So, yeah, I that's how I kinda see that sort of thing. And I guess we could say Basecamp project management software. Fizzy, you're not considering project management software. It's more of a bug. I mean, you could you know, there's different scales of projects since, like, people, for example, manage entire projects on Trello, which is a Kanban board or with to do lists or with paper and pencil or no software whatsoever, you know, in their head. So you can do all sorts of things with all sorts of tools, and this is just another take on a way to organize information to track issues, to track ideas, to track bugs, to track a project, in fact. And I think people will use it for that. And, again, if they wanna use that, that's a better fit for them. I'm glad that we can provide that option. So that's my take on it. I think the greatest illustration of this is that we've been competing against email with Basecamp for literally twenty plus years. People still using email. They're also still using Basecamp, and the two things coexist even within a single organization. So almost anything can do almost everything. If you look at these information tools, you could do everything in notes, as Jason says. You can do everything on pen and paper. You can do everything noodling in your little head. But what has the right grip for the particular project and for the particular group of people? That's quite different. Like, when you find something that really feels like, yes. This is it. …