Balancing it all

Welcome to Rework, a podcast by thirty seven signals about the better way to work and run your business. I'm Kimberly Rhodes joined as always by the cofounders of thirty seven signals, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hanssen. It has been a bit since we have been together, but we are together now. And I wanna kick things off with a listener question. This is actually posted on a YouTube video, and it says, hey, guys. Quick question for you. You often talk about business health, how to feel it, improve it, etcetera. But to do all that effectively, you really need to be healthy yourselves. Right? Good sleep, physical activity, and the like. I couldn't help but notice Jason seems to be pretty consistent with his workouts. It's genuinely inspiring to see him maintain that. I'm curious how he and really all of you managed to balance work with personal well-being like sleep, hobbies, and fitness, considering you always seem to have a ton of work all the time. Thanks. I don't know, Jason, how this person knows about your workout routine. I'm a little bit nervous about that. I mean I don't know how he knows. There's stalking happening here, perhaps. But I do think it's an interesting premise that you need to be healthy yourself in order to run a healthy business. Do you guys first do you agree with that idea? I don't know if that's true or not. I mean, I'm sure you look out there and there seems to be some fairly unhealthy people running businesses that seem to be pretty successful, but the point is, like, you pay for it one way or another at some point, you know, probably. And health is such a broad term in a sense. Like, you might be physically healthy yourself, but you might be terrible to your your spouse or to your kids, or you might not see them, but you're, like, at the gym. And I don't know what it means. I think, ultimately, you're probably better off if you live a fairly balanced life, get doing things outside of work, doing things at work, being able to focus in both places whenever you're doing, whatever it is. I don't think it's probably pretty healthy to be, you know, at your kid's game or something and be on your phone working. That doesn't seem healthy even if you appear to be healthy. You know? So it's it's probably a matter of balance and focus, taking time out to do the things you're doing and give your full attention to those things and those people that you're with. And then, you know, stop doing those things too. Eight hours is enough. That kind of thing at work, I think, is is probably a good path towards at least having a chance at being healthier. I also think, though, obsession is is very unhealthy. So, you know, you can be, again, like, very physically fit or very …