'What Lies Beneath’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Mallory Rubin
Episode
104 min
Read time
2 min
Topics
Career Growth, Relationships, Leadership
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Star Chemistry Formula: Pairing two A-list actors at career peaks creates rewatchable content regardless of genre constraints. Ford at 57 and Pfeiffer deliver believable married couple dynamics despite the film being Ford's last major leading role before transitioning to character work in subsequent years.
- ✓Trailer Strategy Failure: The marketing revealed major plot twists including Ford's villain turn and the Madison storyline, contradicting Zemeckis's philosophy that audiences enjoy movies more knowing what's coming. This approach undermined suspense that could have elevated the theatrical experience significantly for first-time viewers.
- ✓Genre Hybrid Accessibility: Blending supernatural horror with domestic thriller elements at PG-13 rating creates family-friendly scary content. The film avoids extreme violence while maintaining tension through ghost imagery and psychological manipulation, making it rewatchable for audiences who typically avoid horror films.
- ✓Hitchcock Homage Structure: Zemeckis deliberately references Rear Window for the neighbor surveillance plot, Vertigo for the look-alike ghost dynamic, and Bernard Herrmann's scoring style. These classical thriller elements combined with modern special effects created a bridge between 1990s erotic thrillers and 2000s supernatural films.
- ✓Real Estate as Character: The custom-built 3500 square foot Vermont lakehouse with five different bathroom sets demonstrates how production design elevates thriller narratives. The Lake Champlain setting and Nantucket-style architecture provide both aspirational appeal and isolated danger necessary for the plot mechanics to function.
What It Covers
Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Mallory Rubin analyze the 2000 thriller What Lies Beneath, examining Harrison Ford and Michelle Pfeiffer's chemistry, Robert Zemeckis's direction, the film's Hitchcock influences, and its place in early 2000s cinema.
Key Questions Answered
- •Star Chemistry Formula: Pairing two A-list actors at career peaks creates rewatchable content regardless of genre constraints. Ford at 57 and Pfeiffer deliver believable married couple dynamics despite the film being Ford's last major leading role before transitioning to character work in subsequent years.
- •Trailer Strategy Failure: The marketing revealed major plot twists including Ford's villain turn and the Madison storyline, contradicting Zemeckis's philosophy that audiences enjoy movies more knowing what's coming. This approach undermined suspense that could have elevated the theatrical experience significantly for first-time viewers.
- •Genre Hybrid Accessibility: Blending supernatural horror with domestic thriller elements at PG-13 rating creates family-friendly scary content. The film avoids extreme violence while maintaining tension through ghost imagery and psychological manipulation, making it rewatchable for audiences who typically avoid horror films.
- •Hitchcock Homage Structure: Zemeckis deliberately references Rear Window for the neighbor surveillance plot, Vertigo for the look-alike ghost dynamic, and Bernard Herrmann's scoring style. These classical thriller elements combined with modern special effects created a bridge between 1990s erotic thrillers and 2000s supernatural films.
- •Real Estate as Character: The custom-built 3500 square foot Vermont lakehouse with five different bathroom sets demonstrates how production design elevates thriller narratives. The Lake Champlain setting and Nantucket-style architecture provide both aspirational appeal and isolated danger necessary for the plot mechanics to function.
Notable Moment
The hosts debate whether Harrison Ford's character being unfaithful to Michelle Pfeiffer strains credibility, ultimately concluding that portraying marriage difficulties between two extremely attractive people normalizes relationship struggles rather than making them seem impossible for regular couples to overcome.
Episode Transcript
This episode is brought to you by the Focus Features film Hamnet from director Chloe Zhao and producer Steven Spielberg and Sam Mendes. Discover the untold story behind Shakespeare's greatest masterpiece. Hamnet is a monumental cinematic experience and proof that movies can bring us together. And now it's the winner of the Golden Globe Award for best actress, Jessie Buckley, and best picture of the year. Hamnet rated PG 13. May be inappropriate for children under 13, now playing only in theaters. The Rewatchables brought to you by The Ringer Podcast Network where you can find The Watch with Chris Ryan. That's right. You can find House of Bar. You're still podcasting. Right? Still podcasting. House of Bar with Malorie Rubin. That's right. We did 50 most rewatchable movies ever as one of the last pods. 20 last episode. Movie we've done was f one, which you were here for. Last night, my son comes home comes home. Doesn't have a lot of homework. School just started again. And my wife and I and him are negotiating movies. Somehow, they start with Devil Wears Prada. My son hadn't seen it. Wow. Woah. They run through the whole thing. You know what? I didn't leave the room. I bet not. Was number one. It was, like, approve the ranking. Twenty twenty six is just racking up numbers. Do you think, they saw your clips, like, any of the clips from that mailbag, and they were like, let's do dad proud? Let's do My my son watched, ten minutes, twelve minutes of, the top 50. Yeah. Thought it was a good idea, but got bored. Mhmm. Did he go to Instagram to look at the graphic? I don't know if he did that. Anyway, rewatchables. We're just cranking it in 2026. We're trying to do some movies because we're moving the rewatchables, the video, still on Spotify. That's right. But we're moving it to Netflix at the end of the month. We're gonna try to match it with some Netflix movies, including What Lies Beneath, which, is on Netflix and is a movie very dear to your heart. Well, it features two of the hottest people ever to walk the the Earth. More more importantly, evil hair support. James Raymore and Miranda Lotto? And James Raymore. You know how I feel about Miranda Lotto. What lies beneath us next? Alright. The duel is here. Michelle Pfeiffer versus Harrison Ford. My favorite versus your favorite. Let's go. It's like heated rivalry all over again. That's not what You can tell he has to watch heated you can tell he has to watch heated rivalry. Harrison Ford and James Raymour if it was, you know, rivalry. My bad. Why choose? I mean, I would choose Harrison Ford over any other person in in the history of the world because he is the most precious thing to me and to so many. But why not both? I mean, that's the great joy of the film …
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