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201: Keeping it Real with Ayishat Akanbi

59 min episode · 2 min read
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Ayishat Akanbi

Episode

59 min

Read time

2 min

Topics

Productivity, Product & Tech Trends, Psychology & Behavior

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Key Takeaways

  • Self-honesty over group conformity: Membership in political, social, or identity groups often requires minimizing parts of yourself to maintain comfortable admission. Fear of deviating from cultural scripts attached to race, gender, or sexuality prevents people from exploring their full potential. Self-reflection requires accepting what exists without immediately labeling experiences as good or bad.
  • Avoiding buzzwords for precision: Terms like virtue signaling or snowflakes immediately attach political associations that prevent listeners from engaging with actual content. Speaking without relying on scripted language forces clearer thinking about what you truly mean. Using personal language rather than borrowed terminology demonstrates genuine care about a topic and prevents audiences from reacting to their preconceptions.
  • Individual experience over identity theory: Intersectionality functions as an interpretation of reality rather than reality itself. Two black women in the same city can have radically different experiences with discrimination based on class, location, and social circles. Assuming all members of an identity group share identical experiences reinforces the problematic idea that people of specific races are fundamentally the same.
  • Disagreement without hatred: Religious background, cultural upbringing, and personal values create legitimate reasons for disagreement that have nothing to do with hate. Labeling all disagreement as hatred functions as manipulative tactic in reputation economies where smearing someone can threaten their employment. Conflating ignorance with hatred prevents productive conversations since most people lack knowledge about experiences outside their own worldview.
  • Style as psychological communication: Clothing choices function as your hello before speaking, opening or closing doors based on presentation. Working with artists and clients involves pulling out naturally existing style rather than imposing external identities. Personal presentation can create universal appeal and facilitate connections across different backgrounds, professions, and demographics that might not otherwise occur.

What It Covers

Writer and fashion stylist Ayishat Akanbi discusses her journey from learning disabilities to creative work, examining how identity politics, group membership, and buzzwords limit authentic self-expression. She challenges intersectionality theory, explores productive approaches to discussing race and discrimination, and advocates for treating individuals as complex humans rather than representatives of identity categories.

Key Questions Answered

  • Self-honesty over group conformity: Membership in political, social, or identity groups often requires minimizing parts of yourself to maintain comfortable admission. Fear of deviating from cultural scripts attached to race, gender, or sexuality prevents people from exploring their full potential. Self-reflection requires accepting what exists without immediately labeling experiences as good or bad.
  • Avoiding buzzwords for precision: Terms like virtue signaling or snowflakes immediately attach political associations that prevent listeners from engaging with actual content. Speaking without relying on scripted language forces clearer thinking about what you truly mean. Using personal language rather than borrowed terminology demonstrates genuine care about a topic and prevents audiences from reacting to their preconceptions.
  • Individual experience over identity theory: Intersectionality functions as an interpretation of reality rather than reality itself. Two black women in the same city can have radically different experiences with discrimination based on class, location, and social circles. Assuming all members of an identity group share identical experiences reinforces the problematic idea that people of specific races are fundamentally the same.
  • Disagreement without hatred: Religious background, cultural upbringing, and personal values create legitimate reasons for disagreement that have nothing to do with hate. Labeling all disagreement as hatred functions as manipulative tactic in reputation economies where smearing someone can threaten their employment. Conflating ignorance with hatred prevents productive conversations since most people lack knowledge about experiences outside their own worldview.
  • Style as psychological communication: Clothing choices function as your hello before speaking, opening or closing doors based on presentation. Working with artists and clients involves pulling out naturally existing style rather than imposing external identities. Personal presentation can create universal appeal and facilitate connections across different backgrounds, professions, and demographics that might not otherwise occur.

Notable Moment

Akanbi reveals she often forgets she is a woman when thinking about herself, not in a nonbinary sense but because she does not process her existence through identity categories first. This admission demonstrates her core philosophy that humans contain multitudes beyond demographic labels, and that leading with identity markers limits rather than expands human connection and self-understanding.

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Episode Transcript

Welcome to the psychology podcast, where we give you insights into the mind, brain, behavior, and creativity. I'm doctor Scott Barry Kaufman. And in each episode, I have a conversation with a guest who will stimulate your mind and give you a greater understanding of yourself, others, and the world we live in. Hopefully, we'll also provide a glimpse into human possibility. Thanks for listening, and enjoy the podcast. I'm really excited to have Ayesha Akanbi on the podcast today. Akanbi is a writer and fashion stylist based in London. Personal reflection has guided her approach of reminding us of our commonalities instead of our differences, not just for social awareness, but also self awareness. Akanbi resists the black and white thinking that can lead to divisive sociopolitical discourse and is comfortable in the gray. From identity to cancel culture, race, integrity, wokeness, the nature of group think, and more. She's determined to not let her work fall victim to the dogmatic script that discourages rationality and rewards reactivity. Ayesha, what, just a pleasure to talk with you today already. We haven't even talked. Thank you for having me, Scott. Well, we have so much to talk about. There's there's no lack of topics, of things going on in the world today. You know, from a social scientist perspective, I look at all the things going on, and I just am craving discussions with people with different perspectives and people who can bring just such great energy and compassion and thoughtfulness to the table such as you do. But I wanted to start off before we dive into some of these specific topics. I wanna start off a little bit with your background because I think correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we share some early childhood educational experiences that that that weren't weren't so fun. Is that right? Yeah. We we do. So I grew up, and I definitely didn't think I would be doing anything that I'm doing now because, I could barely write. You know? As in, like, my handwriting was terrible. I think that was the first sign, that alerted my teachers, to something a little different with my, yeah, just with the way that I was learning and the way that I was picking up things. And so I had a lot of the learning difficulties, dyslexia being one of them, ADHD, being on the spectrum. Although I didn't know that when I was in school, that's something I found out in adulthood. But you don't necessarily have to kind of know those things directly. You feel them. And it wasn't until I was maybe in the ninth grade. So before the ninth grade, I was in all of the bottom classes, so for, like, math, science, and all the core subjects in English. And then in the ninth grade, I I wrote a story. And that story, brought me to the top of the class. And, you know, I remember getting an …

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