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#5 - TV, Research, and White Writers Writing Indigenous Characters

33 min episode · 2 min read

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33 min

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2 min

Topics

Career Growth, Productivity, Health & Wellness

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Key Takeaways

  • Writer immersion test: Shows that make writers forget they're analyzing craft represent peak storytelling—complete narrative absorption indicates exceptional writing that transcends technical awareness and creates genuine emotional connection with audiences.
  • Male actor career trajectory: Successful male actors often transition from comedy to action roles for longevity—examples include Chris Pratt (Parks and Recreation to Guardians of Galaxy), John Krasinski (The Office to Jack Ryan), establishing credibility through humor first.
  • Limited series research: When developing television projects, writers should study comparable shows in their genre—watching The Sopranos for mafia content or analyzing structure of successful limited series like The Queen's Gambit informs both content and format decisions.
  • Spec writing strategy: Writers face competing advice on whether to write full limited series or pilot only—some recommend complete scripts for creative control, while others suggest pilots to save time, requiring individual assessment of project goals.

What It Covers

Screenwriters Leah Saint Marie and Angel discuss television shows that influenced their writing, examining storytelling craft, representation in TV writing, and their personal viewing habits as both audiences and creators.

Key Questions Answered

  • Writer immersion test: Shows that make writers forget they're analyzing craft represent peak storytelling—complete narrative absorption indicates exceptional writing that transcends technical awareness and creates genuine emotional connection with audiences.
  • Male actor career trajectory: Successful male actors often transition from comedy to action roles for longevity—examples include Chris Pratt (Parks and Recreation to Guardians of Galaxy), John Krasinski (The Office to Jack Ryan), establishing credibility through humor first.
  • Limited series research: When developing television projects, writers should study comparable shows in their genre—watching The Sopranos for mafia content or analyzing structure of successful limited series like The Queen's Gambit informs both content and format decisions.
  • Spec writing strategy: Writers face competing advice on whether to write full limited series or pilot only—some recommend complete scripts for creative control, while others suggest pilots to save time, requiring individual assessment of project goals.

Notable Moment

The hosts debate whether British writer Hugo Blick appropriately wrote The English about indigenous Americans, questioning when cultural authenticity in storytelling matters versus when excellent craft justifies cross-cultural narratives, acknowledging the tension between representation and artistic freedom.

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Episode Transcript

You can find and subscribe to the premium episodes of this podcast at pitch.supportingcast.fm. Hi. Welcome to Pitch, connecting storytellers with the world. This week's premium episode features Phoenix Black with her script, Keanu Reeves is my muse, my son is a dragon. Eric Brown with his script, A Girl and Her Dog, and Moshe Wolf and Malekhanen with their script, Danger, may cause time travel. Make sure to check that out. I'm Leah Saint Marie. And I'm Angel. And today, we are going to what are we gonna talk about today? What should we talk about today? Let's talk about TV shows. Let's talk about TV shows. Let's talk about what we're watching just as as an audience Okay. Viewer enjoyment. Mhmm. Let's talk about what we're watching as screenwriters and learning from Okay. And what TV shows are either under the radar or TV shows that we grew up watching. Can you watch something as not a writer at this point? So sometimes, yes, and it's rare. And I'll tell you this. When I watch a show and I'm so completely engrossed in it, I forget that it's I forget that it was written or I forget that I'm a writer. I'm so lost in the story. That's when. Have you seen anything in the last, say, four years that has done that the entire run of the show that you had no moments where you're like, well, well, I would've I would've done that differently because I have I have a couple. I have one. Yes. She has one, but she's forgotten the name. She's trying to sneakily look it up on her phone right now. I I'll I'll go with mine while she's while she's looking up hers. Mine was Patriot, an Amazon Prime original that only went for one season. And I was so tickled by how fun and clever and engrossing this show was that I have been telling everybody about it since I saw it, and I don't think anyone has watched it. And I've just recommended it to, but it's excellent. It's not The Patriot. It's not the movie The Patriot of Mel Gibson. It is Patriot created by Stephen Conrad, and it stars Michael Dorman, Kurtwood Smith, Michael Chernis, Kathleen Monroe, Elliot Oppheim, Chris Conrad, Terry Quinn, and Deborah Winger. And it is I it it's hilarious, but it's also really tragic. So I guess it's a tragic comedy? It's a it's a yeah. It's a tragic comedy. This is one of those shows for me. What about you? Do you have one? Yes. I do. Maniac, which showed on Netflix. It has Emma Stone and Jonah Hill. And the reason that I loved it so much is it took me in directions that I didn't know it was going to take me. It kept me guessing, and I loved the surprises that it presented. And it was just so emotionally raw and honest. How many seasons? Limited series. Limited series. …

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  • The hosts debate whether British writer Hugo Blick appropriately wrote The English about indigenous Americans
  • Successful male actors often transition from comedy to action roles for longevity—examples include Chris Pratt (Parks and Recreation to Guardians of Galaxy)
  • John Krasinski (The Office to Jack Ryan), establishing credibility through humor first
  • analyzing structure of successful limited series like The Queen's Gambit informs both content and format decisions
  • John Krasinski (The Office to Jack Ryan), establishing credibility through humor first
  • Successful male actors often transition from comedy to action roles for longevity—examples include Chris Pratt (Parks and Recreation to Guardians of Galaxy)
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    When developing television projects, writers should study comparable shows in their genre—watching The Sopranos for mafia content

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