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#409 ‒ Inside modern drug development: the science, economics, and regulatory hurdles behind bringing new medicines to patients | Lloyd Klickstein, M.D., Ph.D.

146 min episode · 3 min read
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Lloyd Klickstein

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146 min

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3 min

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Health & Wellness, Design & UX, Software Development

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Key Takeaways

  • ✓Drug Discovery Starting Point: Begin with unmet clinical need, not available technology. Klickstein's team at Novartis catalogued roughly 7,000 unrecognized clinical indications, grouped them into buckets — healthy aging, fibrotic disease, renal disease, ENT — and systematically identified where no therapy existed. This patient-first framework, rather than a molecule-first approach, generated dozens of projects including bimagrumab, and represents the highest-value path for society even though it carries greater regulatory and commercial risk than incremental improvements on existing drugs.
  • ✓Patent Strategy and Exclusivity Windows: A drug patent runs 20 years from filing, but because IND-enabling studies, clinical trials, and approval consume most of that window, manufacturers realistically capture only 10–15 years of commercial exclusivity. Companies like AbbVie extended Humira's protection by staggering patents on composition of matter, formulation, salts, auto-injector, dosing route, and manufacturing process. Understanding this layered strategy explains why branded biologics remain expensive long after the original compound patent expires and why biosimilar entry is delayed.
  • ✓Small Molecule vs. Biologic Selection: The choice of drug format follows the biology of the target. Myostatin and activin bind their receptors at low nanomolar to high picomolar affinity, meaning any blocker must achieve even tighter binding — a requirement small molecules cannot reliably meet. Therapeutic antibodies, produced via phage display recombinant DNA technology rather than mouse immunization, can reach that affinity threshold. Format selection should be locked early because it determines manufacturing complexity, dosing route, patient suitability, and the entire downstream regulatory and commercial strategy.
  • ✓Bimagrumab Efficacy Gap Between Species: Bimagrumab produces 20–30% skeletal muscle mass increases in rodents but only 4–8% in humans, with eight percent representing the absolute ceiling observed. This gap exists because myostatin alone drives most inhibitory signaling in mice, while humans rely on myostatin plus activin A together — which is why blocking the ActRII receptor rather than myostatin alone was the correct mechanistic choice. The human mass gains did not reliably translate to strength improvements without resistance training, mirroring results seen with IGF-1 agonists and SARMs.
  • ✓Protein Nutrition Amplifies Bimagrumab Response: A Novartis study tested bimagrumab across three protein-calorie intake levels — half, full, and 1.2 times the recommended daily amount. Muscle accrual scaled directly with protein intake, and bimagrumab prevented muscle loss even in the protein-restricted group. This suggests human response to ActRII blockade is substrate-limited, meaning amino acid availability caps hypertrophy independent of drug dose. The practical implication: any muscle-building therapeutic likely requires concurrent protein intake of at least 1.2 g/kg, and higher intakes were never tested but may yield greater gains.

What It Covers

Lloyd Klickstein, physician-scientist and drug developer with 20+ years at Novartis and multiple biotech companies, traces the complete arc of modern drug development using bimagrumab as a case study — covering target identification, antibody discovery, clinical trial design, FDA regulatory pathways, patent strategy, and why muscle-preserving therapies may reshape metabolic disease treatment.

Key Questions Answered

  • •Drug Discovery Starting Point: Begin with unmet clinical need, not available technology. Klickstein's team at Novartis catalogued roughly 7,000 unrecognized clinical indications, grouped them into buckets — healthy aging, fibrotic disease, renal disease, ENT — and systematically identified where no therapy existed. This patient-first framework, rather than a molecule-first approach, generated dozens of projects including bimagrumab, and represents the highest-value path for society even though it carries greater regulatory and commercial risk than incremental improvements on existing drugs.
  • •Patent Strategy and Exclusivity Windows: A drug patent runs 20 years from filing, but because IND-enabling studies, clinical trials, and approval consume most of that window, manufacturers realistically capture only 10–15 years of commercial exclusivity. Companies like AbbVie extended Humira's protection by staggering patents on composition of matter, formulation, salts, auto-injector, dosing route, and manufacturing process. Understanding this layered strategy explains why branded biologics remain expensive long after the original compound patent expires and why biosimilar entry is delayed.
  • •Small Molecule vs. Biologic Selection: The choice of drug format follows the biology of the target. Myostatin and activin bind their receptors at low nanomolar to high picomolar affinity, meaning any blocker must achieve even tighter binding — a requirement small molecules cannot reliably meet. Therapeutic antibodies, produced via phage display recombinant DNA technology rather than mouse immunization, can reach that affinity threshold. Format selection should be locked early because it determines manufacturing complexity, dosing route, patient suitability, and the entire downstream regulatory and commercial strategy.
  • •Bimagrumab Efficacy Gap Between Species: Bimagrumab produces 20–30% skeletal muscle mass increases in rodents but only 4–8% in humans, with eight percent representing the absolute ceiling observed. This gap exists because myostatin alone drives most inhibitory signaling in mice, while humans rely on myostatin plus activin A together — which is why blocking the ActRII receptor rather than myostatin alone was the correct mechanistic choice. The human mass gains did not reliably translate to strength improvements without resistance training, mirroring results seen with IGF-1 agonists and SARMs.
  • •Protein Nutrition Amplifies Bimagrumab Response: A Novartis study tested bimagrumab across three protein-calorie intake levels — half, full, and 1.2 times the recommended daily amount. Muscle accrual scaled directly with protein intake, and bimagrumab prevented muscle loss even in the protein-restricted group. This suggests human response to ActRII blockade is substrate-limited, meaning amino acid availability caps hypertrophy independent of drug dose. The practical implication: any muscle-building therapeutic likely requires concurrent protein intake of at least 1.2 g/kg, and higher intakes were never tested but may yield greater gains.
  • •Phase One Patient Selection Framework: Use a one-in-100,000 annual risk threshold — equivalent to the US lightning strike probability — to decide between healthy volunteers and patient populations in first-in-human studies. If projected serious adverse event risk exceeds that threshold, enroll patients who stand to benefit so a risk-benefit argument can be made. Dose escalation should use sentinel patients sequentially rather than dosing multiple subjects simultaneously, a lesson formalized after the 2006 TGN1412 CD28 agonist trial in which six healthy volunteers were dosed concurrently and experienced life-threatening cytokine release syndrome.
  • •Gray-Market Peptides Carry Compounding Risks: Peptides sold online as research compounds — including those marketed as GLP-1 analogs or BPC-157 — lack GMP certification, meaning purity, potency, sterility, and actual identity are unverified. GMP manufacturing involves separate certified facilities for drug substance, formulation, packaging, and distribution, each subject to regulatory inspection. BPC-157 carries additional red flags: it is not encoded in the human genome, has no identified receptor, has no known mechanism of action, and all published data originate from a single investigator whose findings have not been independently reproduced.

Notable Moment

Klickstein revealed that nursing home admission among frail elderly patients carried a three-year mortality rate approaching 90% — worse than most cancers — yet the condition receives a fraction of the research investment. This statistic was the direct clinical motivation behind launching the bimagrumab program, reframing sarcopenia from a quality-of-life issue into a life-threatening disease demanding urgent therapeutic intervention.

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Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Drive podcast. I'm your host, Peter Attia. This podcast, my website, and my weekly newsletter all focus on the goal of translating the science of longevity into something accessible for everyone. Our goal is to provide the best content in health and wellness, and we've established a great team of analysts to make this happen. It is extremely important to me to provide all of this content without relying on paid ads. To do this, our work is made entirely possible by our members. And in return, we offer exclusive member only content and benefits above and beyond what is available for free. If you want to take your knowledge of this space to the next level, it's our goal to ensure members get back much more than the price of the subscription. If you want to learn more about the benefits of our premium membership, head over to peteratiamd.com/subscribe. My guest this week is Doctor. Lloyd Klickstein, a physician, scientist, rheumatologist, and drug developer who has spent more than two decades helping discover and develop new medicines. After beginning his career as a physician scientist at Harvard Medical School and the Brigham and Women's Hospital, Lloyd joined Novartis, where he helped pioneer translational medicine and led the company's new indication discovery unit, identifying entirely new disease and therapeutic opportunities. He later held leadership roles at several biotechnology companies, including Versantis Bio, where he led the development of Bema before the company was acquired by Eli Lilly. Today, he serves as the CEO of Costlap Therapeutics. I wanted to have Lloyd on because very few people have had a front row seat to every stage of modern drug development, from identifying the unmet medical need to the discovery of new therapeutic targets to navigating clinical trials, regulatory approval, and even commercialization. While we use bema as a case study throughout this conversation, the real goal is to pull back the curtain on how new medicines are actually created, why the process takes so long and costs so much, and how scientists decide which areas are worth pursuing in the first place. In the episode, we talk about how new drugs are discovered, developed, and ultimately brought to patients, the science and economics behind choosing which diseases and therapeutic targets to pursue, the differences between small molecules, biologics, gene therapy, and other drug platforms, why drug development takes so long, costs billions of dollars, and so often fails, the story behind this one particular drug from its discovery at Novartis to its development as a therapy for muscle loss and obesity, what clinical trials, FDA approval, and patent protection actually involve, and how the next generation of obesity and muscle preserving therapies may reshape the treatment of metabolic disease. So, without further delay, please enjoy my conversation with Doctor. Lloyd Klickstein. Lloyd, thanks so much for coming out to Austin. Great to see you again in person. It's been, probably six, seven, maybe eight years since …

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