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Ep. 385: Guest Graham Harman on Object vs. Continuum (Part One)

47 min episode · 2 min read
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Graham Harman

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47 min

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2 min

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Software Development, Psychology & Behavior, Philosophy & Wisdom

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Key Takeaways

  • Indirect Contact Theory: All interactions between objects are necessarily indirect and translated, not merely partial. When two objects interact, neither accesses the other's full reality but only sensual profiles. This applies equally to billiard balls colliding and humans shaking hands—the surface contact still requires explaining how that surface relates to the whole object, creating an infinite regress problem.
  • Causation as Composition: Harman reinterprets all causal interactions as compositional events where two interacting objects temporarily become a third, larger object. When two airplanes crash, they form a single crash-object that has retroactive effects on its component parts before they re-emerge as separate damaged entities. This framework eliminates the need for mysterious causal powers or occasionalist divine intervention.
  • Aesthetics Over Literalism: Metaphor and aesthetic experience provide better access to real objects than literal scientific description because they preserve the gap between objects and their properties. Homer's wine-dark sea does not literally describe ocean color but uses bare similarity to insinuate depth, danger, and mystery—qualities that literal translation into plain language destroys, reducing rich meaning to platitudes.
  • Emergence Creates Scale Hierarchy: Not all interacting things create larger wholes—only specific interactions produce emergent objects at different scales. This means the universe cannot be reduced to fundamental particles, nor does a unified cosmic whole exist, since many proximate objects never causally interact. Local wholes emerge where genuine causal unification occurs, creating ontological reality at multiple irreducible levels.
  • Knowledge Limitations: Perfect knowledge of a dog remains fundamentally different from the actual dog, not because matter separates them but because translating form into any medium—including knowledge—necessarily distorts it. This parallels how globes cannot become flat maps without distortion, or how pi cannot be expressed as terminating decimals. Incommensurability exists between knowledge and its objects, making Kant's thing-in-itself inevitable.

What It Covers

Philosopher Graham Harman discusses his object-oriented ontology with The Partially Examined Life hosts, defending his position that objects never directly contact each other and explaining how real objects interact only through sensual properties. The conversation explores the distinction between real and sensual objects, the role of aesthetics versus knowledge, and how causation works as composition.

Key Questions Answered

  • Indirect Contact Theory: All interactions between objects are necessarily indirect and translated, not merely partial. When two objects interact, neither accesses the other's full reality but only sensual profiles. This applies equally to billiard balls colliding and humans shaking hands—the surface contact still requires explaining how that surface relates to the whole object, creating an infinite regress problem.
  • Causation as Composition: Harman reinterprets all causal interactions as compositional events where two interacting objects temporarily become a third, larger object. When two airplanes crash, they form a single crash-object that has retroactive effects on its component parts before they re-emerge as separate damaged entities. This framework eliminates the need for mysterious causal powers or occasionalist divine intervention.
  • Aesthetics Over Literalism: Metaphor and aesthetic experience provide better access to real objects than literal scientific description because they preserve the gap between objects and their properties. Homer's wine-dark sea does not literally describe ocean color but uses bare similarity to insinuate depth, danger, and mystery—qualities that literal translation into plain language destroys, reducing rich meaning to platitudes.
  • Emergence Creates Scale Hierarchy: Not all interacting things create larger wholes—only specific interactions produce emergent objects at different scales. This means the universe cannot be reduced to fundamental particles, nor does a unified cosmic whole exist, since many proximate objects never causally interact. Local wholes emerge where genuine causal unification occurs, creating ontological reality at multiple irreducible levels.
  • Knowledge Limitations: Perfect knowledge of a dog remains fundamentally different from the actual dog, not because matter separates them but because translating form into any medium—including knowledge—necessarily distorts it. This parallels how globes cannot become flat maps without distortion, or how pi cannot be expressed as terminating decimals. Incommensurability exists between knowledge and its objects, making Kant's thing-in-itself inevitable.

Notable Moment

Harman argues that human vocation centers on connoisseurship rather than creation, suggesting artificial intelligence writing all content while humans curate and select the best works would simply accelerate humanity's true mission. This provocative stance challenges romantic notions of artistic creation as uniquely human, positioning creators as special cases of spectators rather than fundamentally different cognitive agents.

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Episode Transcript

You're listening to the Partially Examined Life, a podcast by some guys who at one point set on doing philosophy for a living, but then thought better at it. For episode 385, we're following up on our last discussion on Gran Harmon's object oriented ontology, a new theory of everything. So now talk to him directly about the issues we had with him in that as well as getting to his new book, Waves and Stones. For more information about the text and the podcast, please see partiallyexaminedlife.com. This is Mark Linson Meyer with continuous and discreet touching willy nilly in Madison, Wisconsin. This is Seth Seth Paskin, winging it, touching nothing discreet with no other discreet object in Austin, Texas. This is Wes Alwin existing in my own right in Cambridge, Massachusetts. This is Dylan Casey reflecting on holes and parts, the discrete and continuous in the wake of my half hog butchery class in Madison, Wisconsin. Graham, welcome. Thanks very much. Fresh out of bed in Long Beach, California. Yes. Thanks for getting up a little early for us to do this. We were very excited by your previous book, and I feel like your new book, maybe you moderated some positions or at least just explained them in in a way that was less objectionable to me, at least such that some of the the rage that I was feeling about the insistence on Kant's thing in itself, for instance, has faded. So, yeah, I guess let's go around the horn, say what we wanna get out of this. I, for sure, wanted to instead of we often kinda start at the beginning of the book and go through. And instead of doing that with waves and and zones, I think we should just raise the issues as they come up. But I'm certainly interested in the overall issue of ontology, what counts as an object. I'm interested in the extension of that. Do we need this distinction between real objects and sensory objects, right, Kantian things in themselves? Or is Husserl or somebody like that right when they say, you know, of course, we don't contact the entirety of an object, but we contact part of it. So it's an aspect. So we I am really contacting the real thing. It's just not every property of the thing is is relevant to my contact. Of course not. And then as a third thing, causality obviously coming out of that. Seth, do you wanna do you have anything to add before we get into the discussion proper and let Graham go? Oh, yeah. I have lots to add. So first, Graham, you know you have the write off audience if somebody is enraged by your insistence on He was excited and then it turned into rage. Yes. So I love the audacity of the thesis, meaning I think you're not taking on a small project here. When you say a theory of everything, you're really trying to …

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