#384 Ken Griffin: Founder of Citadel and Citadel Securities
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66 min
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2 min
Topics
Career Growth, Productivity, Investing
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Learning from failure: Griffin chartered a Gulfstream jet the day Enron filed bankruptcy, interviewed hundreds of employees for several days, hired their entire quantitative research leadership team, and subsequently made thirty billion dollars in commodities over the following two decades from that intelligence gathering operation.
- ✓Cost structure advantage: Griffin recommends the book Hardball, which teaches that examining costs in detail reveals major profit improvement opportunities. Drive down costs faster than competitors and use savings to upset their strategies. History's greatest founders obsess over knowing their business costs down to the penny, treating cost control as nearly an obsession.
- ✓Career equity building: The most valuable equity you create is career equity through education and skills, which doesn't fluctuate with markets. If you haven't learned much after six months somewhere, leave immediately. People who stop learning lose their edge within five to ten years, not twenty, as life passes them by rapidly.
- ✓Risk seeking timing: Take maximum risks early in your career when consequences are lowest. Griffin started Citadel right out of college with a simple deal: if performance was good, raise outside money; if not, return to graduate school. Young professionals should pursue high-risk opportunities with maximal personal interest and learning potential.
- ✓Mentorship leverage: Spend hours daily learning from people with fifteen to thirty years more experience. Griffin memorized phone numbers of Wall Street traders and salespeople, spending countless hours absorbing their knowledge. Take advantage of the American cultural willingness for older generations to mentor younger ones, as much of career success comes from apprenticeship.
What It Covers
Ken Griffin built Citadel from his Harvard dorm room into the most profitable hedge fund in history by obsessing over cost control, learning from competitors' failures, and maintaining relentless focus on building competitive advantages through quantitative analytics.
Key Questions Answered
- •Learning from failure: Griffin chartered a Gulfstream jet the day Enron filed bankruptcy, interviewed hundreds of employees for several days, hired their entire quantitative research leadership team, and subsequently made thirty billion dollars in commodities over the following two decades from that intelligence gathering operation.
- •Cost structure advantage: Griffin recommends the book Hardball, which teaches that examining costs in detail reveals major profit improvement opportunities. Drive down costs faster than competitors and use savings to upset their strategies. History's greatest founders obsess over knowing their business costs down to the penny, treating cost control as nearly an obsession.
- •Career equity building: The most valuable equity you create is career equity through education and skills, which doesn't fluctuate with markets. If you haven't learned much after six months somewhere, leave immediately. People who stop learning lose their edge within five to ten years, not twenty, as life passes them by rapidly.
- •Risk seeking timing: Take maximum risks early in your career when consequences are lowest. Griffin started Citadel right out of college with a simple deal: if performance was good, raise outside money; if not, return to graduate school. Young professionals should pursue high-risk opportunities with maximal personal interest and learning potential.
- •Mentorship leverage: Spend hours daily learning from people with fifteen to thirty years more experience. Griffin memorized phone numbers of Wall Street traders and salespeople, spending countless hours absorbing their knowledge. Take advantage of the American cultural willingness for older generations to mentor younger ones, as much of career success comes from apprenticeship.
Notable Moment
When Griffin asked Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein when the 2008 financial crisis would end, Blankfein replied that a forest fire ends when nothing remains to burn. This response came as Citadel lost half its equity in sixteen weeks, nearly forcing the firm out of business after never experiencing a double-digit drawdown in twenty years.
Episode Transcript
There's a book that Ken Griffin recommends reading. It's called Hardball, and the subtitle of that book is are you playing to play, are you playing to win? It is a book about extreme winners and some of the best operators in business. And there's a line in that book that sounds like it could have been written by any of the almost 400 historically great founders that you and I have studied on this podcast so far. It says, if you have not examined your costs in detail, it is very likely that there exists lurking somewhere in your cost structure a major opportunity to improve your profits, weaken your competitors, and expand your influence. The first move is to drive down your cost faster than your competitors can and use that savings to upset their strategies. Two weeks ago, I told you about Todd Graves who owns 90% of his business, over 90% of his business. That is a business that's worth at least $10,000,000,000 and is still growing at 30% a year. Todd Graves is obsessed about staying in the details of his business just like Ken Griffin is obsessed about staying in the details of his business. And Todd said that one of the most some of the most successful or all of the most successful people he knows stays in the detail of their business. He mentioned learning from from one of his friends who runs a multi billion dollar shipping company and how that friend would even pay attention to how much his business was spending on bottled water. When I read that section, I thought it'd be a lot easier to do that if that shipping company was running on ramp. Something a lot of history's greatest founders have in common, they know their business from a to z and their costs down to the penny. Ramp makes doing this effortless. Ramp gives you easy to use corporate cards for your entire team, automated expense reporting, and cost control. These corporate cards are fully programmable. You can set limits so the spending of your team never gets out of hand. Most companies only find out about excessive spending after the fact, just like that shipping company with the rampant spending on water. With Ramp, you stop it before it happens. Matt Paulson, who listens to founders and is the founder of this company called MarketBeat, recently switched to Ramp, and this is what he said about it. Ramp is the best. The amount of money you will save from unwanted renewals and employees who think company credit card equals I can buy whatever I want will far exceed the best credit card rewards program. Matt is talking about the importance of cost control. There is a line in Andrew Carnegie's autobiography that says cost control became nearly an obsession. All of history's greatest founders were the same way. Ramp helps you make this an obsession. If Andrew Carnegie was alive today, he'd run …
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