#381 I Had Dinner With Michael Ovitz
Episode
27 min
Read time
2 min
Topics
Relationships, Startups, Fundraising & VC
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Exposing mediocrity through passion: Ovitz spent ten weeks reading seventy years of Hollywood files in filing cabinets while other trainees did nothing. He worked on signing one director two hours daily for two years, delivering scripts before the director's own agent received them.
- ✓Removing professional ceilings: Ovitz expanded beyond traditional talent representation into packaging entire productions, brokering billion-dollar corporate mergers including a six-point-five-billion-dollar deal, and consulting for companies like Coca-Cola. No other talent agency attempted these expansions, demonstrating unlimited industry boundaries.
- ✓Partner ambition alignment: Select cofounders with matching ambition levels to avoid internal criticism when pursuing new opportunities. Mismatched partners label expansion efforts as distractions rather than growth opportunities. Ovitz notes three people betrayed him among thousands of relationships, refusing to let that minority close future partnerships.
- ✓Long-term optimization over intensity: Ovitz now advises working ten percent less during growth phases without sacrificing professional success. Over thirty years, this equals three additional years of life. Optimize for durability over short-term growth since most business profits materialize decades into the future.
What It Covers
David Senra shares lessons from a three-hour dinner with Michael Ovitz, founder of Creative Artists Agency, covering his approach to building teams, pushing industry boundaries, partner selection, and maintaining drive through decades of work.
Key Questions Answered
- •Exposing mediocrity through passion: Ovitz spent ten weeks reading seventy years of Hollywood files in filing cabinets while other trainees did nothing. He worked on signing one director two hours daily for two years, delivering scripts before the director's own agent received them.
- •Removing professional ceilings: Ovitz expanded beyond traditional talent representation into packaging entire productions, brokering billion-dollar corporate mergers including a six-point-five-billion-dollar deal, and consulting for companies like Coca-Cola. No other talent agency attempted these expansions, demonstrating unlimited industry boundaries.
- •Partner ambition alignment: Select cofounders with matching ambition levels to avoid internal criticism when pursuing new opportunities. Mismatched partners label expansion efforts as distractions rather than growth opportunities. Ovitz notes three people betrayed him among thousands of relationships, refusing to let that minority close future partnerships.
- •Long-term optimization over intensity: Ovitz now advises working ten percent less during growth phases without sacrificing professional success. Over thirty years, this equals three additional years of life. Optimize for durability over short-term growth since most business profits materialize decades into the future.
Notable Moment
Ovitz reveals he still reads the podcast extensively, having listened to four episodes the day before connecting with the host, demonstrating his continued commitment to learning from founder stories despite building one of Hollywood's most powerful agencies.
Episode Transcript
Something that Michael Ovitz had in common with people like Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos is the belief that you must find and work with extraordinary people. Even when Ovitz was a young man, he starts his company, he has no money, he makes a list of people that he eventually wanted to work with, and it was the best of the best. And even though at the time, it felt like a pipe dream, he actually makes that list into a reality. And the importance of working with the very best people, there's actually a great observation about this from Steve Jobs. And he says that the key observation was that I noticed that that that dynamic range between what an average person could accomplish and what the best person could accomplish was 50 to one or a 100 to one. So given that, you're well advised to build a team that pursues the a plus players. That's exactly what Steve Jobs did. It's exactly what Michael Ovitz did, and it is exactly what Ramp did. Ramp has the most talented technical team in their industry. Becoming an engineer at Ramp is nearly impossible. In the last twelve months, they hired only point 23% of the people that applied. So that means when your business is using Ramp, you now have access to top tier technical talent and some of the best AI engineers on the planet working on your behalf twenty four seven to automate and improve all of your business's financial operations. Ramp invests heavily in creating new innovative products. In fact, I just, sat down with the founder and a friend of mine who's the one of the cofounders and the CEO, of Ramp named Eric, and he told me that 54% of their payroll is now dedicated to r and d. So the longer they use Ramp, the more efficient your company becomes. That's very important because as Sam Walton astutely pointed out in his autobiography, he wrote, you can make a lot of different mistakes and still recover if you run an efficient operation, or you can be brilliant and go out of business if you're too inefficient. Ramp helps you run an efficient organization. Ovitz knows that Ramp built a team of a plus players because Ovitz invested in Ramp. So from a customer's perspective, what does a team of a plus players sounds like? Sounds like this customer review that I read, which said, Ramp is like having a teammate who you never need to check-in on because they have it handled. So take the time, set up a demo of the product, and you'll see why many of the world's top founders are running their company on Ramp. You can do that by going to ramp.com. Go to ramp.com to learn how they can help your business today. That is ramp.com. Okay. So last week, I flew to New York to have dinner with Mike Ovitz. We wound up having a …
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