What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’
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Productivity, Investing, Fundraising & VC
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Vibes vs. Outcomes Gap: Abundance has achieved near-total penetration of Democratic Party discourse — governors Kathy Hochul and JB Pritzker cite supply-side framing, and California passed a bill literally titled the Abundant and Affordable Homes Near Transit Act — but housing starts in California show no measurable increase from 2021 through 2026, exposing a critical gap between legislative momentum and on-the-ground construction results that advocates must urgently address.
- ✓Texas Housing Model: Dallas absorbed a population equivalent to urban Boston between 2019 and the early 2020s while home prices actually declined, because Texas maintains permitting customs and zoning rules that allow supply to respond to demand. Austin similarly saw average rents fall over 18–24 months after a sustained building surge. These outcomes demonstrate that supply-side housing policy produces measurable rent relief — a stronger outcome than rent freezes alone.
- ✓Three-Layer Housing Problem: Understanding why housing isn't being built requires separating three distinct timescales: a 50-year accumulation of zoning and permitting rules that restricted supply in blue cities; a 20-year macroeconomic story where post-2008 recession decimated the construction industry, producing the lowest per-capita housing decade on record; and a 5-year financing crisis driven by elevated interest rates post-pandemic. Abundance policy has addressed the first layer but largely ignored the second and third.
- ✓Abundance Mullet Framework: The most effective Democratic political messaging tested by polling firm Blue Rose combines economic populism with supply-side abundance — framing like "working Americans can't afford the basics because we stopped building them" outperformed either pure populist or pure abundance messaging alone. Politicians like Zohran Mamdani (rent freeze paired with developer fast-tracking) and New Jersey Governor Mikey Sherrill (utility price caps paired with solar permitting reform) embody this synthesis in practice.
- ✓Corporate Power Blind Spot: Elizabeth Warren's critique — that abundance advocates underemphasize corporate culpability while focusing on government dysfunction — carries partial validity. Klein acknowledges the book was written as a corrective to progressive blind spots, not a comprehensive diagnosis, and that a missing "Chapter 7" would address how concentrated money in politics corrupts the stronger government that abundance requires. Billionaires contributed an estimated 10–25% of 2024 total campaign spending, then received the largest top-0.1% tax cuts in recent history.
What It Covers
One year after publishing *Abundance*, Ezra Klein reunites with co-author Derek Thompson and historian Marc Dunkelman to assess the book's real-world impact. They evaluate housing construction outcomes in California, Texas, and New York, debate corporate power critiques from Elizabeth Warren, examine AI's political complications, and discuss what a future Democratic governing agenda must look like beyond cutting red tape.
Key Questions Answered
- •Vibes vs. Outcomes Gap: Abundance has achieved near-total penetration of Democratic Party discourse — governors Kathy Hochul and JB Pritzker cite supply-side framing, and California passed a bill literally titled the Abundant and Affordable Homes Near Transit Act — but housing starts in California show no measurable increase from 2021 through 2026, exposing a critical gap between legislative momentum and on-the-ground construction results that advocates must urgently address.
- •Texas Housing Model: Dallas absorbed a population equivalent to urban Boston between 2019 and the early 2020s while home prices actually declined, because Texas maintains permitting customs and zoning rules that allow supply to respond to demand. Austin similarly saw average rents fall over 18–24 months after a sustained building surge. These outcomes demonstrate that supply-side housing policy produces measurable rent relief — a stronger outcome than rent freezes alone.
- •Three-Layer Housing Problem: Understanding why housing isn't being built requires separating three distinct timescales: a 50-year accumulation of zoning and permitting rules that restricted supply in blue cities; a 20-year macroeconomic story where post-2008 recession decimated the construction industry, producing the lowest per-capita housing decade on record; and a 5-year financing crisis driven by elevated interest rates post-pandemic. Abundance policy has addressed the first layer but largely ignored the second and third.
- •Abundance Mullet Framework: The most effective Democratic political messaging tested by polling firm Blue Rose combines economic populism with supply-side abundance — framing like "working Americans can't afford the basics because we stopped building them" outperformed either pure populist or pure abundance messaging alone. Politicians like Zohran Mamdani (rent freeze paired with developer fast-tracking) and New Jersey Governor Mikey Sherrill (utility price caps paired with solar permitting reform) embody this synthesis in practice.
- •Corporate Power Blind Spot: Elizabeth Warren's critique — that abundance advocates underemphasize corporate culpability while focusing on government dysfunction — carries partial validity. Klein acknowledges the book was written as a corrective to progressive blind spots, not a comprehensive diagnosis, and that a missing "Chapter 7" would address how concentrated money in politics corrupts the stronger government that abundance requires. Billionaires contributed an estimated 10–25% of 2024 total campaign spending, then received the largest top-0.1% tax cuts in recent history.
- •Speed as Progressive Value: A measurable shift is occurring in Democratic policymaking: Mamdani's Neighborhood Builders Fast Track cuts predevelopment time from 18 months to 10 months, saving up to 2.5 years per affordable housing project. The underlying principle — that delay is not a costless democratic virtue but a corrosive force that prevents government from delivering visible results within election cycles — represents a genuine departure from the procedural-fetish culture that has dominated progressive governance since the 1970s.
- •Operation Warp Speed for GLP-1s: GLP-1 drugs represent the most commercially successful pharmaceutical category in decades, with potential applications in cardiovascular disease, neurodegeneration, and inflammation — yet the federal government has no coordinated strategy to accelerate access. Thompson proposes applying the Operation Warp Speed model: advance market commitments worth hundreds of millions to billions of dollars that allow the government to purchase and distribute GLP-1s at cost, replicating the COVID vaccine distribution infrastructure for a new drug category.
Notable Moment
Thompson makes a striking admission about the book's core housing chapter: while it effectively explains the 50-year regulatory story behind America's housing shortage, it largely ignores the post-2008 construction industry collapse — the decade with the fewest homes built per capita on record — and the post-pandemic financing crisis, both of which may matter more than permitting rules for why housing isn't getting built right now.
Episode Transcript
In theory, I knew that this kind of thing can happen in any family. Upstanding citizens are always turning out to be secret criminals, and I wouldn't even call my cousin, Alan, an upstanding citizen. But it's one thing to know and another thing to understand. Alan, murder me. What the hell was Alan thinking? From Serial Productions and The New York Times, I'm M. Gessen, and this is The Idiot. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. It's been a little over a year since Derek Thompson and I published the book, Abundance. Now, the book didn't begin what I think of as the abundance movement, but it did mark a kind of kickoff of the idea as a both an object in the discourse, something people are fighting over and creating factional wars over, and actually something politicians are claiming and trying to think through how they would turn into policy. Actually, being part of this has been a bit of a wild ride on a bunch of levels. It has created fights I didn't expect, opportunities I didn't expect. It can be a very weird experience. But I've been really wanting to come back to abundance. Been a little distracted from it by the million things Donald Trump is doing. But if this is to become something more than a synonym for efficiency, if it's become part of a vision for a better world, I think there's some success to build on, but a whole lot more that actually needs to be done. So I wanna have on some other folks from within this intellectual hot house to talk through what has happened, what we've learned from the arguments, the critiques, the coalitions that are forming and fracturing, and what we think needs to happen next. Derek Thompson is a contributing writer at the Atlantic. He's, of course, a co author of Abundance and the author of a great Substack newsletter under his name. Mark Dunkelman is a fellow at the Searchlight Institute and at Brown University and the author of a book that came out around the same time, Why Nothing Works, which is about some very similar ideas but with a much more historical perspective. So I wanna add them on together to sort of talk through what we've seen and what we think is coming. As always, my email is reclineshow@nytimes.com. Mark Dunkelman, Derek Thompson, welcome to the show. It's It's good to be here. Thrilled to be here. Yeah. So our books came out a little more than a year ago. Congratulations to everybody. But just at the high level, where's your pet at? What are you feeling good about? What are you feeling worried about a year? And, Derek, start with you. So maybe one way to think about the reaction to the fallout of abundance is to think about its impact at three different levels, the level of vibes, the level of legislation, and the level of outcomes. At the level of …
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