Podman with Brent Baude

Podman is an open source container management tool that allows developers to build, run, and manage containers. Unlike Docker, it supports rootless containers for improved security and is fully compatible with standards from the Open Container Initiative or OCI. Brent Boddy is a senior principal software engineer at Red Hat, where he works on Podman. In this episode, Brent joins the show to talk about the project. This episode of Software Engineering Daily is hosted by Jordi Mon Companies. Check the show notes for more information on Jordi's work and where to find him. Hi, Brent. Welcome to Software Engineering Daily. Yeah. Welcome. I appreciate that. So what did you introduce yourself? Yeah. My name is Brent Boudy, and I currently work for Red Hat as the architect of Podman. And been with Red Hat about eleven years. Prior to that, I was with IBM for seventeen and change, and I'm located in United States in the great state of Minnesota. Beautiful state. So we're here to talk about Podman as you mentioned in your part of your title, but there is a GitHub containers organization, github.com/containers that contains, no pun intended there, a few projects, and you probably don't maintain and certainly are not the architect of the others. But can you give us a sense of what is the overarching theme of all the projects hosted within the containersorg? The obvious answer here is they have something to do with containers. Many of them are maybe library oriented that are brought into larger applications that you might know, but you might not know the libraries. We do prefer some affiliation with OCI and OCI standards, And there's certainly outliers on those kinds of ideas, but that's the general theme throughout. Container related, OCI related, and either they're gonna be small applications or libraries that build up much larger applications. What is the Open Container Initiative like? Could you describe what the standards there what is the difference without it? What came before maybe? And what did it come about? The OCI standards give us a road map, if you will, or or a skeleton in which we can program and be able to have a standard that will work, for example, with an application like Podman, but also could work with Crayo, which is another one of those projects in the containers area that we handle containers and images in particular in the same manner. Yeah. Is it a way of making container images agnostic of the container run time, right, of the multiple and As long as we follow the standard, of course. Yeah. Exactly. So the grunt of the work is on the container run times project maintainers like yourself. Yep. So how does Portman fit into this containers org? Like, is it the central project, or what is it? It's certainly the most active and popular. I believe that it's actually one of the more popular in GitHub, period. But, yeah, Podman fits into that …