pnpm with Zoltan Kochan

Traditional package management systems for JavaScript have faced several inefficiencies related to dependency storage, resolution, and project performance. PNPM is a fast, disk efficient package manager for JavaScript and TypeScript projects, serving as an alternative to NPM and Yarn. Due to its efficiency and reliability, PNPM is increasingly popular for managing monorepos and large scale applications. Zoltan Kokon is a full stack web developer and the creator of PNPM. He joins the show with Josh Goldberg to talk about his background and package management in the web ecosystem. This episode is hosted by Josh Goldberg, an independent full time open source developer. Josh works on projects in the TypeScript ecosystem, most notably TypeScript eslint, the tooling that enables eslint and Prettier to run on TypeScript code. Josh is also the author of The O'Reilly Learning TypeScript book, a Microsoft MVP for developer technologies, and a live code streamer on Twitch. Find Josh on Blue Sky, Mastodon, Twitter, Twitch, YouTube, and .com as Joshua k Goldberg. Zoltan, welcome to Software Engineering Daily. Hi. Hi. I'm happy to be here. As a consistent and now long time user of PNPM, I'm excited to talk to you. We've got a lot of great stuff to talk about, like architectures and modern eco management. Before we get into all that, though, how did you get into coding? I started coding at school, like, at 2,004. I didn't have a computer back then, or maybe it was even a little bit earlier. So I kind of had the whole journey from the invention of Internet still as the invention of AI. The first couple of years, I was coding without Internet. I got Internet only in 2008. So I was using just old school books and pirate content, I guess, in Ukraine. Actually, early on, I was planning to be a painter. I was doing a lot of drawing. I didn't want to join the university or institute. It was for painters, but I missed, like, entry dates. I mixed up the dates. So, accidentally, I failed that gym. And later on, I entered the math faculty to become an engineer. That's a guess. Most of it. Like, I started with Pascal at school, and then I used c sharp. And I used c sharp at my first job. So you're saying there's an alternate universe where instead of creating p and p m, you became an artist, a painter? Yeah. But I don't think I would be very successful at that. I was always painting, like, real stuff, you know, not some imaginative abstract stuff, which I think is more exciting for a painter. So you got your first job in c sharp. What was that? So the first job was at an outsource company. It's called Swan. And I have a little office in my city, Uzhkod, which is in Ukraine. And I had different projects for American companies. I started as a junior programmer there, and I was only doing, like, unit …