662: Alternative Browsers, Discord vs Circle, and AI in the Browser

Hey there, Shopman Maniacs. You're listening to another episode of the Shop Talk Shop poop a poopcast? A podcast all about web design and development. I'm Dave Rupert. With me is Chris Coyier. Hey, Chris. How are you? Good. 660 whatever 2. I nailed it. First round. 662. Yeah. There was some there was some talk in the Discord of what we're gonna do for 666. You know? We could just place layer records for you know? Yeah. Hopefully, a demon lord doesn't visit us. That would be a big problem. T t p code 666? Probably not. Right? Probably not. But we could meant it for the day. How you skip. What do they skip? Floor 11? Why is that blinking? 13. Right? Most buildings go from twelve to twelve to fourteen. Maybe, we could do a a top to bottom reading of htmlhell.dev. A and just a full That's like a full reading. Website. Yeah. Yeah. Here's to websites. You know, the best, really. They're good. Yeah. They're pretty good. Here's a little anecdote. I was I was, like, kind of I wanted to, like, make a list for myself of all the I ended up, blogging it over on front end masters that they're, like, just my list of what the alternative browsers are because you got Mhmm. Edge, Chrome, Firefox, Safari, pretty much. Right? And those have a ton of usage because a lot of people like the one that they like, and they're built in or default in some way on a bunch of operating systems. You know? Chrome is very popular despite not being a default, but it is actually default on on Android, which is a huge operating system. So there's that. You know? Your Windows is gonna have edge on it right away and all that. I know there's some nuance to all this, but that's why they have such big market share generally. But okay. That's obvious. What about all these other browsers? If you use a browser that's not one of those, essentially, what are you using and why is so interesting? That's a question that I didn't answer. It's not like I interviewed people, but I just made a list of, like, what what could it be, you know, like and what's the general appeal of of those browsers? We've talked about Arc a million times. That one just it just captured me. I know we're not we don't have to go all into the Arc saga, but I do still use it. I'm in Arc right now. There's that. And then it just feels important to us. Yeah. Yeah. To us, you know, web people. You know? Like, the browser that you're using is just good it's good bar talk, I'll say. So a lot of people use stuff like Brave, for example. Brave's been around forever, has a bunch of privacy stuff in it, pretty polished, and, you know, whatever. I've never really used it, but that's …