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Appendix 12- Coming Full Circle One Last Time

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35 min

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2 min

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Software Development, Crypto & Web3, Philosophy & Wisdom

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Key Takeaways

  • Revolutionary Duration Patterns: British and French revolutions lasted 21-23 years ending with monarchy restorations, while 1830 and 1848 revolutions concluded within 18 months to 2 years, showing dramatic compression of revolutionary timelines in later periods.
  • Political Revolution Definition: All ten revolutions displaced existing power structures and created fundamentally different regimes, primarily by establishing permanent parliamentary assemblies where stakeholders could participate in lawmaking, taxation, and spending decisions rather than absolute monarchical rule.
  • Social Revolution Distinction: Only half the revolutions transformed economic relations and cultural hierarchies through mechanisms like mass land confiscation from estates and churches in France, Haiti, Mexico, and Russia, while others like America continued existing socioeconomic structures largely unchanged.
  • Moral Justification Framework: The Haitian Revolution presents the clearest case where enslaved people were morally justified using maximum violence for freedom, since asking slaves to wait generations for peaceful abolition becomes ethically indefensible when slavery itself is fundamentally intolerable.

What It Covers

Mike Duncan reflects on when each of the ten revolutions covered in the podcast ended, analyzes whether they qualify as political versus social revolutions, and examines whether revolutionary violence was necessary or justified.

Key Questions Answered

  • Revolutionary Duration Patterns: British and French revolutions lasted 21-23 years ending with monarchy restorations, while 1830 and 1848 revolutions concluded within 18 months to 2 years, showing dramatic compression of revolutionary timelines in later periods.
  • Political Revolution Definition: All ten revolutions displaced existing power structures and created fundamentally different regimes, primarily by establishing permanent parliamentary assemblies where stakeholders could participate in lawmaking, taxation, and spending decisions rather than absolute monarchical rule.
  • Social Revolution Distinction: Only half the revolutions transformed economic relations and cultural hierarchies through mechanisms like mass land confiscation from estates and churches in France, Haiti, Mexico, and Russia, while others like America continued existing socioeconomic structures largely unchanged.
  • Moral Justification Framework: The Haitian Revolution presents the clearest case where enslaved people were morally justified using maximum violence for freedom, since asking slaves to wait generations for peaceful abolition becomes ethically indefensible when slavery itself is fundamentally intolerable.

Notable Moment

Duncan contrasts revolutionary versus reform paths by comparing Britain and France, noting both achieved similar modern political systems but Britain navigated through calculated concessions while France endured decades of violent upheaval, raising questions about whether revolution was truly necessary.

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Episode Transcript

Hello, and welcome to Revolutions. Appendix 12, coming So this is the penultimate episode of the Revolutions podcast. This is the last formal appendix episode. And then next week, I'll have one more final informal farewell, and then we'll be done. I will have many heartfelt things to say next week. But to get a little head start on it, let me just say that it has been an incredible honor to produce this show, an incredible honor that a bunch of people let me do what I do here. And that if I look back over all the episodes I produced and all the time we've spent together, that maybe the Revolutions podcast has shaped the world for the better or at least made your world a little bit better as you mow the lawn and go for a walk and wash dishes and commute to work. All the things that people do when they listen to the Revolution's podcast. Thanks for letting me spend that time with you. I'll miss you too. Now we've been talking about discrete historical events and eras and epochs that despite their differences about where and when they happened, we can call them all revolutionary events. With apologies to those of you who believe that the revolution never ended whichever revolution it happens to be you're talking about, we do tend to put conceptual brackets around our historical revolutions and say here is when it began and here is when it ended. Now, there's often not a right answer to figuring out when a revolution ends. If the French Revolution explodes in 1789, we can say that it goes to 1794, 1799, eighteen o four, or 1815. All of these are acceptable endpoints to mark a book or a documentary or a podcast focused on the French Revolution. I said the French Revolution ended in 1799 partly because my daughter was about to be born, and I needed to wrap up the season on the French Revolution. She's, seven now, in case you're wondering how long we've been at this together. But in the end, whatever date we slap on to the end of a revolution, we should say that at a certain point, the revolution does end. And so I wanna start today by looking back at each of our 10 seasons and nailing down when precisely we say each of the revolutions ended. Now, the revolutionary period in Britain and Ireland runs through 1660, and it is easily marked by the collapse of the Commonwealth and the restoration of the Stuart monarchy. And this is one of our revolutions that really does seem to look like a revolution, one full turn of the wheel. Now, if we mark this period beginning with the Bishop's War of sixteen thirty nine, we are talking about twenty one years of revolutionary upheaval in the British Isles. And then, of course, there's the necessary coda that it would all be recapitulated in 1688 with the …

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