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Episode 393: Engineering Financial Outcomes

74 min episode · 3 min read
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Braden Warwick

Episode

74 min

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3 min

Topics

Personal Finance, Relationships, Investing

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Key Takeaways

  • Financial Plan vs Projection Distinction: A financial plan represents the collection of decisions made using available information today, similar to an engineering design. The projection is merely the mathematical modeling tool used to support those decisions, not the plan itself. Planners should communicate that uncertainty in variables does not make the plan wrong, just as an engineer designing tires cannot predict exact lifespan but creates sound designs based on available data and modeling.
  • Goal-Setting Priority: Understanding client goals precedes all other planning work. Surface-level goals like maximizing returns or minimizing taxes miss deeper objectives. Effective planners guide clients through reflection to identify true priorities, whether maximizing trips with family, retiring early, or leaving multigenerational wealth. Different goals require fundamentally different planning strategies, making this initial work essential for creating relevant solutions rather than generic recommendations.
  • Pareto Frontier for Multiple Goals: When clients have competing objectives like maximizing spending while retiring early, create a Pareto frontier chart plotting one goal on each axis. Every point on the resulting curve represents an optimal solution for different preference weightings. Knee points where the rate of change spikes indicate particularly efficient trade-offs, such as working one extra year yielding three thousand dollars monthly versus one thousand dollars for subsequent years.
  • Software Metric Limitations: Conquest planning software's retirement score calculates funded status using only personal assets, excluding corporate holdings. For business owners, this metric can mislead by showing higher scores for salary strategies that reduce overall wealth compared to dividend strategies. In one case study, paying dividends increased legacy value from sixteen point five million to thirty-four point one million dollars while showing a lower retirement score, demonstrating why planners must understand calculation methodologies.
  • CPP Deferral Optimization: The PWL CPP calculator uses present value analysis rather than break-even age thinking, which biases people toward early claiming. Two factors favor deferral: statutory increases of additional percentage points per year and real wage inflation. Since CPP benefits index to wages before claiming but CPI after, each deferral year when wages grow point five percent faster than CPI increases starting benefits in real terms beyond statutory increases.

What It Covers

Braden Warwick, PWL Capital's Financial Planning Product Architect with a PhD in mechanical engineering, applies engineering optimization principles to financial planning. He demonstrates how to evaluate plans against specific client goals rather than default software metrics, using tools like Pareto frontiers and sensitivity analysis to quantify trade-offs between competing objectives like retirement age versus spending levels.

Key Questions Answered

  • Financial Plan vs Projection Distinction: A financial plan represents the collection of decisions made using available information today, similar to an engineering design. The projection is merely the mathematical modeling tool used to support those decisions, not the plan itself. Planners should communicate that uncertainty in variables does not make the plan wrong, just as an engineer designing tires cannot predict exact lifespan but creates sound designs based on available data and modeling.
  • Goal-Setting Priority: Understanding client goals precedes all other planning work. Surface-level goals like maximizing returns or minimizing taxes miss deeper objectives. Effective planners guide clients through reflection to identify true priorities, whether maximizing trips with family, retiring early, or leaving multigenerational wealth. Different goals require fundamentally different planning strategies, making this initial work essential for creating relevant solutions rather than generic recommendations.
  • Pareto Frontier for Multiple Goals: When clients have competing objectives like maximizing spending while retiring early, create a Pareto frontier chart plotting one goal on each axis. Every point on the resulting curve represents an optimal solution for different preference weightings. Knee points where the rate of change spikes indicate particularly efficient trade-offs, such as working one extra year yielding three thousand dollars monthly versus one thousand dollars for subsequent years.
  • Software Metric Limitations: Conquest planning software's retirement score calculates funded status using only personal assets, excluding corporate holdings. For business owners, this metric can mislead by showing higher scores for salary strategies that reduce overall wealth compared to dividend strategies. In one case study, paying dividends increased legacy value from sixteen point five million to thirty-four point one million dollars while showing a lower retirement score, demonstrating why planners must understand calculation methodologies.
  • CPP Deferral Optimization: The PWL CPP calculator uses present value analysis rather than break-even age thinking, which biases people toward early claiming. Two factors favor deferral: statutory increases of additional percentage points per year and real wage inflation. Since CPP benefits index to wages before claiming but CPI after, each deferral year when wages grow point five percent faster than CPI increases starting benefits in real terms beyond statutory increases.
  • Sustainable Spending with Volatility: Use standard error of the mean rather than standard deviation to model planning outcome distributions, as fifty-year horizons involve multiple samples from return distributions. The law of large numbers means longer time horizons produce tighter outcome distributions. Planning for one standard deviation below expected returns corresponds to eighty-four percent plan viability, while two standard deviations reaches ninety-seven percent, allowing calibrated risk-taking aligned with client comfort levels.

Notable Moment

Warwick reveals how deploying Conquest planning software exposed him to firms training people who sold furniture the previous week to use advanced financial planning tools alongside experienced advisors. This highlighted the industry tension between maintaining low entry barriers for new advisors while simultaneously pursuing professional status, creating challenges for software providers serving vastly different user sophistication levels and planning quality standards.

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Episode Transcript

This is the Rational Reminder Podcast, a weekly reality check on sensible investing and financial decision making from two Canadians. We're hosted by me, Benjamin Felix, Chief Investment Officer and Rayden Warwick, Financial Planning Product Architect at PWL Capital. Welcome to Episode three ninety three and Braden, welcome back onto the podcast. Thanks. It's exciting to be back. Yeah. You're back by a couple of reasons. People may notice that we have a couple of non guest episodes in a row. We did have a guest cancellation that we were not able to recover from or fill in with another guest on short notice by popular demand that we knew we had to have written back on because when you were on with the other folks from the FP Canada panel, we got great feedback on your appearance. And the nerdy folks in the Rash Reminder community loved your nerdiness, which is no surprise. We figured this was a great opportunity to have you back on to talk about engineering financial outcomes, which is a great topic. So we are gonna dive into that in a second. Real quick before we do that, we have a webinar coming up on February 12, a live webinar that will have Q and A moderated by PWL Financial Planners. And the topic of that webinar is how much do you need to retire in Canada. We have done this webinar once before and it was very well received. The older version is up on the PWL Capital YouTube channel and this one will be as well. But if you want to attend live and ask questions to PWL financial planners about the content that is on February 12 at noon Eastern time and we'll put a sign up link in the episode description for this podcast episode. So now we're gonna talk about engineering financial outcomes, which is kind of what you've been doing since you joined PWL Braden. I don't know if I've mentioned this on the podcast in the past. You joined kind of to work with me doing research stuff, and then we started doing stuff, and I was like, oh, you can build applications and write code? And you're like, yeah. I don't know. I guess. And then I was like, cool. Can we build an app to do this thing? And you learned a lot on the job. You became much more proficient at building applications, but we realized pretty quickly that you can actually build software that solves pretty complex financial planning problems, which has been awesome. And so we've really leaned into that, and you've been able to focus on that a lot, which has been really exciting for PWL and our clients, and I think for you too, which is awesome. To kick off this discussion about engineering financial outcomes, coming from an engineering background, which we can talk more about your background as we go here, what do you think in general about the …

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  • Conquest planning software's retirement score calculates funded status using only personal assets, excluding corporate holdings.
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    The PWL CPP calculator uses present value analysis rather than break-even age thinking, which biases people toward early claiming.

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