How the Ex-Goldman CEO actually invests his own money
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60 min
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3 min
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Career Growth, Productivity, Personal Finance
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Portfolio Construction: Blankfein holds 98% in equities, split roughly 75-90% in individual stocks and 10-25% in ETFs, with heavy concentration in large-cap tech hyperscalers like Google, Microsoft, and NVIDIA, plus select second-tier names like Oracle. He maintains only 1% in index funds or bonds. For non-professionals, he recommends the inverse — 90% broad index ETFs like VOO, with a smaller tech-tilted ETF allocation for added sector exposure.
- ✓Active Trading as a Hobby: Blankfein trades daily on an iPad and phone, monitoring markets as background noise throughout the day. He justifies this by citing four decades of professional trading experience and the fact that losses cannot materially affect his lifestyle. The key distinction: active trading is only rational when you have deep domain expertise AND financial resilience to absorb losses without behavioral panic or life disruption.
- ✓Skill vs. Luck in Elite Careers: The margin separating top performers from those who fail is smaller than most assume — comparable to a one-stroke golf tournament victory. Winner-take-all markets amplify tiny skill differences into enormous outcome gaps. Blankfein credits becoming Goldman CEO partly to his predecessor's Treasury appointment. Acknowledging luck's role while maintaining rigorous preparation is the realistic framework for evaluating career outcomes.
- ✓Risk Aversion as a Wealth Trap: As individuals and institutions accumulate wealth, they shift from growth-seeking to loss-avoidance — what Blankfein calls "conserving." He observed this inside Goldman post-2008, where gun-shy partners talked themselves out of viable opportunities. The antidote is recognizing that refusing all risk guarantees stagnation. Good risk managers must sometimes actively encourage risk-taking, not just suppress it, to maintain organizational forward momentum.
- ✓Reputation as Binding Contract: In trading markets, most transactions execute without written documentation — bonds are bought and sold on verbal agreement, with settlement two days later. Trust and reputation function as enforceable contracts because violating them ends careers permanently. The Buffett-Goldman $5B preferred stock deal during the 2008 crisis was structured on a phone call, with Buffett's only written request being a verbal commitment that Goldman wouldn't sell shares before he did.
What It Covers
Former Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein discusses his personal investment approach — 98% equities, concentrated in big tech, with daily active trading — alongside lessons on luck versus skill in elite careers, wealth psychology rooted in poverty, the Warren Buffett $5B handshake deal during the 2008 crisis, and why reading history outperforms any market research.
Key Questions Answered
- •Portfolio Construction: Blankfein holds 98% in equities, split roughly 75-90% in individual stocks and 10-25% in ETFs, with heavy concentration in large-cap tech hyperscalers like Google, Microsoft, and NVIDIA, plus select second-tier names like Oracle. He maintains only 1% in index funds or bonds. For non-professionals, he recommends the inverse — 90% broad index ETFs like VOO, with a smaller tech-tilted ETF allocation for added sector exposure.
- •Active Trading as a Hobby: Blankfein trades daily on an iPad and phone, monitoring markets as background noise throughout the day. He justifies this by citing four decades of professional trading experience and the fact that losses cannot materially affect his lifestyle. The key distinction: active trading is only rational when you have deep domain expertise AND financial resilience to absorb losses without behavioral panic or life disruption.
- •Skill vs. Luck in Elite Careers: The margin separating top performers from those who fail is smaller than most assume — comparable to a one-stroke golf tournament victory. Winner-take-all markets amplify tiny skill differences into enormous outcome gaps. Blankfein credits becoming Goldman CEO partly to his predecessor's Treasury appointment. Acknowledging luck's role while maintaining rigorous preparation is the realistic framework for evaluating career outcomes.
- •Risk Aversion as a Wealth Trap: As individuals and institutions accumulate wealth, they shift from growth-seeking to loss-avoidance — what Blankfein calls "conserving." He observed this inside Goldman post-2008, where gun-shy partners talked themselves out of viable opportunities. The antidote is recognizing that refusing all risk guarantees stagnation. Good risk managers must sometimes actively encourage risk-taking, not just suppress it, to maintain organizational forward momentum.
- •Reputation as Binding Contract: In trading markets, most transactions execute without written documentation — bonds are bought and sold on verbal agreement, with settlement two days later. Trust and reputation function as enforceable contracts because violating them ends careers permanently. The Buffett-Goldman $5B preferred stock deal during the 2008 crisis was structured on a phone call, with Buffett's only written request being a verbal commitment that Goldman wouldn't sell shares before he did.
- •History as Investor Education: Blankfein recommends history over financial analysis for developing investor judgment, specifically because historical patterns rhyme with current market cycles without repeating exactly. He cites Barbara Tuchman's *Guns of August* — about how WWI mobilization became unstoppable — as a model for understanding momentum-driven market vortexes. Rereading Robert Caro's *The Power Broker* decades apart revealed how personal experience changes the evaluation of achievement versus character flaws.
Notable Moment
During the 2008 financial crisis, Buffett committed $5 billion to Goldman Sachs in a phone call, declining any due diligence. When Blankfein pushed to disclose his concerns first, Buffett responded that Blankfein worried enough for both of them — then noted the sum represented less than a bad East Coast hurricane for Berkshire's insurance operations.
Episode Transcript
The difference between somebody who's really, really good and somebody who can't make it is not that great. Goldman Sachs senior chairman and former CEO Lloyd Blankfein. Your portfolio as a pie chart, what does it look like right now? I invest in risky assets. That's what's fun for me. I would say that 98% are equities. What are some of your biggest holdings? This is gonna be controversial. I don't know who I'm gonna upset, but, you know, it's like Are you trading every day? Yes. That's crazy. No. It's not. It's like taking a lot of discipline not to look at my screen while I'm talking. Right now. It's like that. So you're bullish on big tech. Anything else? It's been good to be bullish on big tech, and I'll stop being bullish on it when it stops going up. What did the people who couldn't outperform? What did the bottom half have in common? The bigger takeaway is that The reason why it's interesting to talk to you is because I'm pretty good at building companies. You know, I built a company that was doing almost 20,000,000 revenue by the time I was 31. But I'm like, I don't know anything when it comes to investing. My portfolio is basically a Nobody nobody knows anything. Well, that's what I've learned. But it seems like you know a lot. Because I'm so on the inside, unlike a lot of people, I know nobody knows anything, whereas every pure everybody else just wonders. Well, that's cool. And so the so I'm gonna have to ask you a ton of questions, and it's come and it's gonna come from a perspective of, like, I actually don't know what I'm doing. And the majority of my my portfolio is which I actually think is smart, is just 90% index, 10% bonds. Well, that's sensible. But you day trade, which I thought was hilarious. Two things. One, I'm a pro at it. I mean, this is what I did my you know, only for the last four or five decades. And the other thing is that nothing hugely positive or usually negative is gonna affect my life. Yeah. So to me, it's like a hobby. What age were you when you felt that? You know, I grew up in the project, so I I always I wouldn't say that I felt poor, but I certainly was incapable of feeling well-to-do. I can't even say the r word. Rich. I can't it's hard for me to even to say it. But, you know, by any metric, I have been that way for, you know, for a long time, but I never feel that way. I mean, I I'm still trapped in that mindset, you know, the kid from the projects. So your your father was a a postal worker. I think you said you're an urban hick, which I liked. Grew up in East New York, Brooklyn, you know you know, at the …
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“Rereading Robert Caro's *The Power Broker* decades apart revealed how personal experience changes the evaluation of achievement versus character flaws.”
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