How TikTok Hijacked The Future Of Music - Nik Nocturnal - #1095
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138 min
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Key Takeaways
- ✓TikTok-first songwriting structure: Bands increasingly write songs starting from the climactic moment — the breakdown, the vocal gymnastic, the guitar peak — then build backward to create a full track. This inverts the traditional garage-band compositional process. The payoff arrives in the first seconds of a clip rather than after 90 seconds of buildup, which means the structural logic of an entire song now serves a 15-second TikTok moment rather than a full listening experience.
- ✓Viral engineering via trend simulation: A digital marketing firm called Chaotic Good Projects openly confirmed running coordinated campaigns for bands including Geese, deploying networks of thousands of TikTok pages, burner accounts, and fabricated comment ecosystems to push songs into recommendation algorithms. The firm's founders call the process "trend simulation" or "UGC feed narratives." This is no longer a fringe tactic — it is becoming the minimum viable marketing strategy required to cut through algorithmic noise in 2025.
- ✓The authenticity paradox in viral metal: Songs engineered specifically for social media virality tend to underperform on long-term playlist retention and replayability. Knocked Loose went viral not because they optimized for clips, but because their music is naturally paced with intense, discrete moments. The lesson: music that accidentally works on TikTok because it is genuinely well-constructed outlasts music deliberately built around a single shareable moment, which typically disappears after the initial spike.
- ✓Catalog depth as the prerequisite for a breakthrough moment: Sleep Token's track The Summoning broke through to mainstream audiences only after years of consistent banger-quality releases on albums like The Offering. The pattern repeats across modern metal: underground credibility accumulates slowly, then one song coincides with a viral moment and the entire back catalog gets discovered simultaneously. Bands cannot manufacture the moment without first building the catalog — the two elements must converge for a genuine explosion in listenership.
- ✓Originality as undetected plagiarism in metal production: No new chord progressions exist — every sequence has been played. The actual differentiators are BPM, key, groove, production width, and layering choices. Bring Me The Horizon popularized the use of major-sounding but dark chord voicings and dense synth layering in metalcore after Sempiternal, and dozens of bands adopted the template. Mick Gordon's Doom soundtrack, released a decade ago, remains one of the most cited influences on modern metal production aesthetics in 2025.
What It Covers
Music YouTuber Nik Nocturnal and host Chris Williamson trace how TikTok reshaped modern metal songwriting, why bands now write songs backward from the breakdown, how viral marketing firms like Chaotic Good Projects manufacture algorithmic momentum for artists like Geese, and what separates timeless metal records from disposable trend-chasing content across a 138-minute conversation.
Key Questions Answered
- •TikTok-first songwriting structure: Bands increasingly write songs starting from the climactic moment — the breakdown, the vocal gymnastic, the guitar peak — then build backward to create a full track. This inverts the traditional garage-band compositional process. The payoff arrives in the first seconds of a clip rather than after 90 seconds of buildup, which means the structural logic of an entire song now serves a 15-second TikTok moment rather than a full listening experience.
- •Viral engineering via trend simulation: A digital marketing firm called Chaotic Good Projects openly confirmed running coordinated campaigns for bands including Geese, deploying networks of thousands of TikTok pages, burner accounts, and fabricated comment ecosystems to push songs into recommendation algorithms. The firm's founders call the process "trend simulation" or "UGC feed narratives." This is no longer a fringe tactic — it is becoming the minimum viable marketing strategy required to cut through algorithmic noise in 2025.
- •The authenticity paradox in viral metal: Songs engineered specifically for social media virality tend to underperform on long-term playlist retention and replayability. Knocked Loose went viral not because they optimized for clips, but because their music is naturally paced with intense, discrete moments. The lesson: music that accidentally works on TikTok because it is genuinely well-constructed outlasts music deliberately built around a single shareable moment, which typically disappears after the initial spike.
- •Catalog depth as the prerequisite for a breakthrough moment: Sleep Token's track The Summoning broke through to mainstream audiences only after years of consistent banger-quality releases on albums like The Offering. The pattern repeats across modern metal: underground credibility accumulates slowly, then one song coincides with a viral moment and the entire back catalog gets discovered simultaneously. Bands cannot manufacture the moment without first building the catalog — the two elements must converge for a genuine explosion in listenership.
- •Originality as undetected plagiarism in metal production: No new chord progressions exist — every sequence has been played. The actual differentiators are BPM, key, groove, production width, and layering choices. Bring Me The Horizon popularized the use of major-sounding but dark chord voicings and dense synth layering in metalcore after Sempiternal, and dozens of bands adopted the template. Mick Gordon's Doom soundtrack, released a decade ago, remains one of the most cited influences on modern metal production aesthetics in 2025.
- •Burnout mechanics for solo content creators: Nik Nocturnal ran his YouTube channel for 11 consecutive years without a single week off, uploading covers, reactions, and original songs — including a period of writing and releasing one full song per week. The absence of a clock-out point, combined with identity being entirely fused with output metrics, created a burnout cycle that required a full hiatus to reset. The recovery involved deliberately writing music with no camera, no audience, and no upload schedule alongside his wife to rediscover intrinsic motivation.
- •Metal fandom as high-investment tribal identity: Metal fans demonstrate measurably higher per-capita investment in artists than mainstream pop audiences — buying physical CDs alongside streaming, attending shows in non-home cities, and purchasing merch at smaller venues. This loyalty also produces the loudest backlash when a band shifts sound, because fans experience genre pivots as personal betrayals rather than artistic choices. Bands like Bring Me The Horizon navigating from deathcore to pop and back to deathcore represent an almost unprecedented trajectory that only extreme fan investment makes commercially survivable.
Notable Moment
A Wired investigation revealed that Brooklyn band Geese's sudden rise to the top of 2025 rock charts was partly engineered by Chaotic Good Projects, a firm that built fake TikTok account networks and manufactured comment ecosystems around the band's music. The firm's cofounders described the process publicly on a Billboard podcast, framing fabricated online discourse as a standard industry service.
Episode Transcript
How big of an impact do you think TikTok has played in shaping the way that modern metal music sounds now? Oh, it it has a pretty big impact because all the young kids growing up are now on TikTok. And I remember, you know, even when I started YouTube, that was, like, a newer thing. People were discovering music through YouTube. I discovered a lot of, like, the big bands I listened to growing up through YouTube, and that was, like, unheard of. You know, it was, like, no matter what, it was usually all on the radio or, like, I don't know, your brother gave you, like, a cassette or, like, a CD. Yep. So that was already such a new thing. There was kids discovering music through the Internet. I mean, Myspace, YouTube. I mean, like, Facebook to some capacity after that. So TikTok was kinda just that next generation of people scrolling and whatever they might be doing, doom scrolling or just, you know, I'm down trying to find cooking recipes, and then all of a sudden, you know, if they like music in any capacity or any of even if they don't, you know, they hear a sound, and they're like, this is cool. And a lot of things with modern metal is there's a lot of good, clip moments usually with modern metal, particularly. Mhmm. You know, whether it's the breakdown or the elder breakdown or the crazy vocal moment, or even on the guitar. So crazy guitar moment, drum moment. Right? There's a lot of musicianship and, like, unique, attributes that kind of go into that skill in in terms of, like, metal as a genre. So, like, when you're able to just, like, kinda clip farm some things like that and be like, oh, like, here's the best part, and you instantly get a payoff versus most people you have to listen to the whole song or, like, you know, in a minute and a half until the breakdown happens. So TikTok, I think, really enforces that where people will be scrolling, and they'll just hear, like, this crazy noise or breakdown or some dude screaming and doing goblin noises, and it'll be like, oh, I want more of this. You know, you instantly get hit with the the punchline. It's like watching a horror movie and only getting hit with the jump scares. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's you instantly get kind of intrigued, and I think that has really helped push metal into a bigger, kinda more just normalized audience. Look at the state of can you feel my heart. Look at the state of that bring me track, which if anybody listened to that album when it came out, it was good. It was a good song. It's one of my favorite songs in the album. It's it's it it shouldn't be, like, 10 times better known than the next best known bring me track. Yeah. And then …
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by Bring Me The Horizon
“Bring Me The Horizon popularized the use of major-sounding but dark chord voicings and dense synth layering in metalcore after Sempiternal, and dozens of bands adopted the template.”
by Mick Gordon
“Mick Gordon's Doom soundtrack, released a decade ago, remains one of the most cited influences on modern metal production aesthetics in 2025.”
by Sleep Token
“Sleep Token's track The Summoning broke through to mainstream audiences only after years of consistent banger-quality releases on albums like The Offering.”
by Sleep Token
“Sleep Token's track The Summoning broke through to mainstream audiences only after years of consistent banger-quality releases on albums like The Offering.”
by Bring Me The Horizon
“Bring Me The Horizon popularized the use of major-sounding but dark chord voicings and dense synth layering in metalcore after Sempiternal, and dozens of bands adopted the template.”
by Sleep Token
“Sleep Token's track The Summoning broke through to mainstream audiences only after years of consistent banger-quality releases on albums like The Offering.”
by Mick Gordon
“Mick Gordon's Doom soundtrack, released a decade ago, remains one of the most cited influences on modern metal production aesthetics in 2025.”
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“A digital marketing firm called Chaotic Good Projects openly confirmed running coordinated campaigns for bands including Geese, deploying networks of thousands of TikTok pages, burner accounts, and fabricated comment ecosystems to push songs into recommendation algorithms.”
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