#1045 - Joe Hudson - How to Take Control of Your Emotions

Joe Hudson, welcome to the show. Thanks, Chris. Good to see you, man. Feels different to speak to you now. Yeah. I bet. It feels different. Yeah. The audience will know that I spent a long week with you, at your intensive retreat. Yeah. So, yeah, to now sit down back in my domain after having spent a week desperately trying to survive in yours feels, feels somewhat different. Yeah. It was great to have you there. It was a very strange, very meaningful experience, especially given that it's completely sober. You know, there's a lot of talk of how important it is to how popular it is at least to do the psychedelic trip down to Costa Rica or the Ayahuasca DMT thing. Like, you can get pretty far without having to add anything in except for morning coffee if you've got the right container and practices. Yeah. The I don't know if you've ever seen the data on the work, but, we change negative self talk by a standard deviation across all the participants and and all, and the neurosis drops by a little less than a standard deviation. So, yeah, cool stuff can happen. Harvard who's doing the study? There's this there's a researcher who worked at Harvard. She no longer does. And then we had somebody at, Columbia who's doing it, and then we just now have another person doing another research project on us. So That doesn't surprise me. Quantum physics from Oxford is the new new person who's at least talking to us about. We haven't figured out what we're doing yet. Wow. One of the questions that came up after we spent a week together was, is it hard to live in the real world with an open heart? Yeah. That was one of the first questions that I thought of. It's hard not to is my experience. I I don't know anything that, I don't know anything that feels better with a closed heart. So we have this thing that our brain does. It tells us that, oh, I'm gonna get hurt or I'm gonna get in trouble or I'm gonna get taken advantage of if I close my heart or if I don't close my heart, if I don't protect myself. And but there's not a tremendous amount of evidence for that. Like, Gandhi didn't get taken advantage of or Martin Luther King didn't get taken advantage of. A really open hearted mother doesn't particularly get taken advantage of. Some might, some might not, but, they're not really correlated. And so my experience is that if you close your heart down, it hurts. It's just painful. And we talk about it a lot in our society is, like, if you don't forgive, then you're punishing yourself. That would be, like, the typical way to say it. But my experience is just anytime that my heart starts closing down, it hurts. Why do we do it? We're scared of love. I mean, …