Why Does HR Make It So Hard To Fire People? - Part 2

Welcome to Manager Tools. This is Sarah. And I'm Mark. Today's podcast, why does HR make it so hard to fire people? Part two of two. The questions this cast answers are, why can't I fire someone? Why does HR prohibit me from firing someone? And how can I fire someone? If you want answers to these questions and more, keep listening. Great managers adapt while average ones don't. The MT Disc assessment gives you the insights into how your team works best so you can communicate, delegate, and coach more effectively. Know your team. Get clarity fast. Learn more by visiting us at manager-tools.com/disc. Picking up from last week, we ended up talking about behaviors and how the collection of individual behaviors as opposed to impressions is very, very necessary. I just don't like him. He's got a bad attitude. Mhmm. Nobody else likes him on the team. He has no friends. Oh my god. I've heard it all. Exactly. And, folks, we mentioned this last time. I mean, the behaviors exist, although we feel them in terms of impressions, and those impressions, those feelings get us increasingly frustrated by that performance that we're seeing or or we're we're not seeing and wish we were seeing more of. And what happens then is after months of poor performance, the manager goes to HR and says, you have to help me fire her. She is not doing her job. Yeah. And by the way, folks, you should know at this moment, HR is not actually, this is not true of this moment. It's true all the time. HR is not reflexively against termination. As a general rule, some are. Okay? Some have drank the Kool Aid and believe that their job is to just say no to termination. To protect the employee. Yeah. They are on the other side. Yeah. There's a there's a sense that a lot of people in HR now believe that they're kind of a quasi union for employees as opposed to actually the people responsible for the systems and processes that allow human flourishing within the organization. And that is the other side of the rumor that managers produce, or or communicate, which is HR won't let you fire anybody when the person believes my job is to keep people from firing people. And and that is a relatively modern instance twenty years ago, twenty five, thirty years ago. That didn't exist, but it's gotten so bad that now there are some in HR who have gotten defensive about managers always saying you can't fire somebody. But again, we stand by our guidance that this is a managerial problem, not an HR problem. HR is not naturally reflexively against termination, and they should not be. They understand that some employees are going to fail. They know they're not we're not we're not perfect at hiring. And even if we were perfect at hiring, jobs change because as Drucker teaches us, two things organizations have to …