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#409 — "More From Sam": Religion, Deportations, Douglas Murray vs. Rogan, & Bill Maher's Dinner with Trump

48 min episode · 2 min read

Episode

48 min

Read time

2 min

Topics

Marketing, Software Development, Psychology & Behavior

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Key Takeaways

  • Parenting without social media: Keep children off public-facing platforms until seventh grade minimum, use disappearing message apps like Snapchat privately, and actively educate kids about the psychological damage of anchoring self-worth to online feedback and algorithmic validation.
  • Podcast responsibility framework: Large platforms require homework before hosting guests who spread misinformation. Joe Rogan crushes guests on MMA or marijuana facts but fails to challenge conspiracy theories, Holocaust revisionism, or election lies because he lacks preparation on these topics.
  • Expertise versus autodidacts: Self-taught commentators like Dave Smith can raise questions but lack accountability when wrong. Real experts face reputational penalties for errors, while entertainers playing expert roles suffer no consequences despite reaching fifty million people with unverified claims about wars or vaccines.
  • COVID vaccine hesitancy impact: Approximately three hundred thousand Americans died unnecessarily due to vaccine hesitancy. Platforms amplifying anti-vaccine voices during the pandemic contributed directly to this death toll, demonstrating the real-world consequences of irresponsible platforming without expert pushback.

What It Covers

Sam Harris addresses Douglas Murray's appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast, discusses parenting without religion and social media protection, critiques podcast responsibility versus free speech absolutism, and examines expertise versus self-taught commentary.

Key Questions Answered

  • Parenting without social media: Keep children off public-facing platforms until seventh grade minimum, use disappearing message apps like Snapchat privately, and actively educate kids about the psychological damage of anchoring self-worth to online feedback and algorithmic validation.
  • Podcast responsibility framework: Large platforms require homework before hosting guests who spread misinformation. Joe Rogan crushes guests on MMA or marijuana facts but fails to challenge conspiracy theories, Holocaust revisionism, or election lies because he lacks preparation on these topics.
  • Expertise versus autodidacts: Self-taught commentators like Dave Smith can raise questions but lack accountability when wrong. Real experts face reputational penalties for errors, while entertainers playing expert roles suffer no consequences despite reaching fifty million people with unverified claims about wars or vaccines.
  • COVID vaccine hesitancy impact: Approximately three hundred thousand Americans died unnecessarily due to vaccine hesitancy. Platforms amplifying anti-vaccine voices during the pandemic contributed directly to this death toll, demonstrating the real-world consequences of irresponsible platforming without expert pushback.

Notable Moment

Harris reveals he considered it dangerous for Kamala Harris to win the 2024 election at one point on election night because Trump's four years of election fraud lies had primed his supporters for political violence if she won.

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Episode Transcript

Welcome to the Making Sense podcast. This is Sam Harris. Just a note to say that if you're hearing this, you're not currently on our subscriber feed, and will only be hearing the first part of this conversation. In order to access full episodes of the Making Sense podcast, you'll need to subscribe at samharris.org. There you'll also find our scholarship program, where we offer free accounts to anyone who can afford one. We don't run ads on the podcast, and therefore it's made possible entirely through the support of our subscribers. So if you enjoy what we're doing here, please consider becoming one. Welcome to the Making Sense Podcast. This is Sam Harris. Today, I'm answering some more questions that were submitted by subscribers on my Substack page and discussing some current events. Once again, the voice you're hearing on the other end is that of my manager and business partner, Jaren Lowenstein. We're hoping to continue this series of episodes. So if you're a subscriber to the podcast, you can submit topics over on Substack. And if you're not a subscriber, you can become one at samharris.org/subscribe. Okay, Sam. We have a lot to get into today. And, obviously, I wanna get your thoughts on Douglas Murray, our buddy, who appeared on Joe Rogan's podcast last week. Feels like it was a month ago. I wanna also ask you about the financial luminaries who have praised the handling of Trump's tariffs. We'll get into that as well. The art of the deal. Bill Ackman. The art of the deal. The art of the deal. Yeah. We will also discuss Yeah. Our friend Bill Maher's we're gonna get into all that, Sam. I could I could just tell you're ready to go. We're gonna discuss our friend Bill Maher's review of his White House dinner with Trump. Mhmm. Hold hold. And discuss deportations and more. But before we get into that, I wanna get your reactions on some of the questions we got over at your Substack page. These aren't the exact questions, but I put them together to represent the gist of them. Alright? Okay. Here we go. Scott Galloway has been vocal about his concerns for the well-being of young men. Jonathan Haidt, vocal about his concerns for the well-being of teenagers, predominantly girls. Obviously, social media plays a a huge role in this. But do you think the erosion of religion plays a role here as well? And what are you doing to protect your daughters from social media? And how are you providing a sense of community for them that is lost without religion? Well, we've kept them off social media. They're exposed to the Internet, obviously, and they watch a lot of YouTube. And so they're, you know, they're getting fed by the algorithm. So I I mean, there's only so much control you can exert there. I think we, our oldest didn't get a smartphone until she was in seventh grade, and that …

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