Head of Growth (Anthropic): “Claude is growing itself at this point” | Amol Avasare
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112 min
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Career Growth, Remote Work, Investing
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Cold Email Acquisition: Avasare landed his role at Anthropic by cold emailing CPO Mike Krieger directly — not through any formal hiring channel. His framework: find personal emails rather than LinkedIn or work addresses, craft a subject line optimized for open rate, keep the body short with three elements (who you are, why you fit, call to action), and follow up repeatedly until explicitly told to stop. Being a growth practitioner who excels at cold email functions as a live demonstration of the skill itself.
- ✓Activation Friction Framework: Adding friction to onboarding consistently outperforms removing it, provided the friction helps users understand why the product is relevant to them. Anthropic, MasterClass, Mercury, and Calm all use multi-step onboarding quizzes that appear counterintuitive but drive higher completion and downstream retention. The rule: remove friction that adds no value, but keep friction that personalizes the experience. Data collected during onboarding also enables lookalike targeting and lifecycle marketing, compounding its value well beyond the signup moment.
- ✓Growth Bet Sizing by AI Dependency: At AI-first companies, shift the experiment portfolio from 70% small bets and 30% large bets to roughly 50/50 or even 70% large bets. The rationale: if product value will be 100x to 1,000x higher in two years due to model improvements, small optimizations capture a negligible share of future upside. This logic applies specifically when AI is the core value driver — not when AI features are peripheral additions to a non-AI product.
- ✓CACHE Growth Automation: Anthropic's growth platform team runs an initiative called CACHE (Claude Accelerates Sustainable Hypergrowth) that uses Claude to automate the four-stage experiment loop: identifying opportunities, building features, testing against quality and brand standards, and analyzing results. Launched only months ago and only viable after Opus 4.5, it currently performs at a junior PM level for copy and minor UI changes. The one stage not yet automatable is cross-functional stakeholder alignment, which still requires human judgment.
- ✓Engineer-as-PM Delegation Rule: When engineering capacity outpaces PM bandwidth — which is increasingly common as AI multiplies engineer output — use a two-week threshold. Projects under two engineering weeks are owned end-to-end by the engineer, including legal, security, and stakeholder coordination. Projects over two weeks revert to PM ownership. This requires hiring product-minded engineers who can handle coordination, and it dramatically increases the value of engineers with strong product instincts relative to purely technical peers.
What It Covers
Amol Avasare, Head of Growth at Anthropic, details how the company scaled from $1B to $19B ARR in 14 months. He covers growth team structure, activation strategy, the CACHE automation initiative using Claude to run growth experiments, how PM and engineering roles are shifting, and why Anthropic deliberately leaves money on the table to protect brand and safety.
Key Questions Answered
- •Cold Email Acquisition: Avasare landed his role at Anthropic by cold emailing CPO Mike Krieger directly — not through any formal hiring channel. His framework: find personal emails rather than LinkedIn or work addresses, craft a subject line optimized for open rate, keep the body short with three elements (who you are, why you fit, call to action), and follow up repeatedly until explicitly told to stop. Being a growth practitioner who excels at cold email functions as a live demonstration of the skill itself.
- •Activation Friction Framework: Adding friction to onboarding consistently outperforms removing it, provided the friction helps users understand why the product is relevant to them. Anthropic, MasterClass, Mercury, and Calm all use multi-step onboarding quizzes that appear counterintuitive but drive higher completion and downstream retention. The rule: remove friction that adds no value, but keep friction that personalizes the experience. Data collected during onboarding also enables lookalike targeting and lifecycle marketing, compounding its value well beyond the signup moment.
- •Growth Bet Sizing by AI Dependency: At AI-first companies, shift the experiment portfolio from 70% small bets and 30% large bets to roughly 50/50 or even 70% large bets. The rationale: if product value will be 100x to 1,000x higher in two years due to model improvements, small optimizations capture a negligible share of future upside. This logic applies specifically when AI is the core value driver — not when AI features are peripheral additions to a non-AI product.
- •CACHE Growth Automation: Anthropic's growth platform team runs an initiative called CACHE (Claude Accelerates Sustainable Hypergrowth) that uses Claude to automate the four-stage experiment loop: identifying opportunities, building features, testing against quality and brand standards, and analyzing results. Launched only months ago and only viable after Opus 4.5, it currently performs at a junior PM level for copy and minor UI changes. The one stage not yet automatable is cross-functional stakeholder alignment, which still requires human judgment.
- •Engineer-as-PM Delegation Rule: When engineering capacity outpaces PM bandwidth — which is increasingly common as AI multiplies engineer output — use a two-week threshold. Projects under two engineering weeks are owned end-to-end by the engineer, including legal, security, and stakeholder coordination. Projects over two weeks revert to PM ownership. This requires hiring product-minded engineers who can handle coordination, and it dramatically increases the value of engineers with strong product instincts relative to purely technical peers.
- •Cowork Scheduling for Metrics and Alignment: Avasare runs scheduled Cowork tasks that automatically review 20 to 25 metric charts each morning and surface anomalies in Slack before he starts work. A separate weekly task scans Slack via MCP to identify potential misalignment across teams and projects. A third task reviews direct report activity against team OKRs and generates suggested feedback. Setup requires the Cowork desktop app, Slack MCP connection, and admin permissions — all currently available without custom engineering.
- •Leaving Money on the Table as Growth Strategy: Anthropic's growth team explicitly foregoes metric gains when tests conflict with brand standards, user experience quality, or safety principles. Avasare frames this as a structural advantage: the best long-term growth compounds from trust, not from squeezing short-term conversion. Practically, controversial tests are sorted into two categories — those that cross non-negotiable lines and are never run, and those that are merely uncomfortable but testable if the hypothesis is strong and the expected return justifies the brand cost.
Notable Moment
Avasare described a weekly automated routine where Claude reviews his manager Ami Vora's public writing and internal Slack activity, then generates feedback on his own performance as she would likely frame it. He receives this self-assessment every week without scheduling it. He noted the signal quality is uneven but occasionally surfaces observations he would have otherwise missed entirely.
Episode Transcript
A lot of companies claim to be the fastest growing companies of all time. Anthropic actually is. You guys were at a billion ARR at the start of 2025. The last number I've seen is 19,000,000,000 ARR. That's 1 to $19,000,000,000 in fourteen months. Historically, we were very much the smallest, least well funded player in this space. We didn't have the free cash flow or the distribution of a Meta or Google. We didn't have the first mover advantage of an OpenAI. It's a complete miracle that we've gotten to the stage that we have. Give us just a glimpse of what it's like to be leading growth inside of Anthropic. It's the hardest job I've had in my life. To come into Anthropic, you need to understand that fifty, sixty, 70% of how you operate in the past just throw it out the door. One of the cleverest growth moves y'all made was this idea of importing memory from chat g p t. Activation is a really big challenge in AI. We are starting to look at how do we automate growth. Our growth platform team is driving this effort called CACHE, which is Claude Accelerates Sustainable Hypergrowth. How can we use Claude to automate growth experimentation? And it's delivering results. You're basically living in the future. We always talk about the exponential. The product value that we will deliver in two years' time is probably like a thousand x what it is today. The funniest thing is I've noticed internally, linear charts are just not cool. Everything is log linear. It's just showing me log linear scale. Today, my guest is Amol Evasari. Amol is head of growth at Anthropic, which is on the most unprecedented growth run-in history. In the past fourteen months, they grew from 1,000,000,000 to over 19,000,000,000 in annual recurring revenue. Just in the past few months, their revenue doubled. They've been growing 10 x year over year. This is unheard of at this scale. By the time this episode comes out, their revenue will be even higher. To put this scale in perspective, companies like Atlassian and Palantir and Snowflake, which have been around for fifteen to twenty years, each do something like 4 and a half to 6,000,000,000 in ARR. Anthropic is adding this much ARR every few months. And if that isn't interesting enough to you, Amol, who leads growth at Anthropic, is an incredible human. He previously led growth at Mercury in MasterClass. Before that, he was a founder and an investment banker. And most interestingly, something that most people don't know about him is that Amol suffered a severe brain injury. He had to spend nine months relearning how to walk and work and just not be nauseous all the time. He shared this story in a guest post in my newsletter a number of years ago. We actually chat about this during the conversation. These are my favorite kind of conversations because Amol and his team are …
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