Building the most AI-pilled engineering team in the world | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams)
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98 min
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Career Growth, Productivity, Remote Work
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Key Takeaways
- ✓8x Output Shift Requires Verification Infrastructure: Anthropic engineers now ship eight times more code per quarter than their 2025 baseline, which moves the bottleneck from coding to verification. Teams should invest in checking specs and "what good looks like" documents directly into the repo, then use Claude to validate code against those specs automatically. This approach mirrors test-driven development but scales to AI-assisted velocity — the spec becomes the test framework that agents validate against continuously.
- ✓Manager-as-IC Onboarding Model: New engineering managers at Anthropic start as individual contributors before taking on direct reports. This structured ramp period builds genuine rapport with the team, surfaces real product intuitions, and prevents managers from defaulting to generic management behaviors in unfamiliar codebases. Fiona applies this herself — she ships production PRs on Claude Code not for output value but to maintain tactile product sense and stay current with a rapidly changing toolchain.
- ✓Async Agent Routines Replace Morning Rituals: Rather than manually scanning feedback channels each morning, Fung uses Claude Code routines — scheduled agents that run at set times, synthesize Slack feedback, identify bug themes, and generate draft PRs for review. This shifts engineering management from synchronous prompt-and-respond to asynchronous agent orchestration, where the manager wakes to a queue of reviewed outputs rather than raw inputs requiring manual triage.
- ✓High Agency Requires Paired Accountability: The Claude Code and Cowork teams operate on explicit "high agency, high accountability" pairing. Engineers are given freedom to identify and pursue problems independently, but each initiative requires a stated hypothesis and measurable outcome. This prevents agency from becoming directionless motion — the accountability structure ensures that autonomy connects to product outcomes rather than just throughput metrics like lines of code or token usage.
- ✓Two Hiring Profiles for AI-Native Teams: Fung identifies two distinct profiles that perform well on AI-native engineering teams: creative builders with strong product sense who own features end-to-end and iterate on user feedback, and deep systems experts who provide the subject-matter verification that models still cannot reliably self-check. Teams that hire only generalists risk shipping architecturally unsound code at high velocity; the systems experts serve as the trust-but-verify layer.
What It Covers
Fiona Fung, who leads the Claude Code and Cowork teams at Anthropic, details how AI has transformed software engineering — with Anthropic engineers shipping 8x more code per quarter than pre-2025 baselines — and shares the management frameworks, hiring profiles, and team culture practices she uses to maintain quality and cohesion at this velocity.
Key Questions Answered
- •8x Output Shift Requires Verification Infrastructure: Anthropic engineers now ship eight times more code per quarter than their 2025 baseline, which moves the bottleneck from coding to verification. Teams should invest in checking specs and "what good looks like" documents directly into the repo, then use Claude to validate code against those specs automatically. This approach mirrors test-driven development but scales to AI-assisted velocity — the spec becomes the test framework that agents validate against continuously.
- •Manager-as-IC Onboarding Model: New engineering managers at Anthropic start as individual contributors before taking on direct reports. This structured ramp period builds genuine rapport with the team, surfaces real product intuitions, and prevents managers from defaulting to generic management behaviors in unfamiliar codebases. Fiona applies this herself — she ships production PRs on Claude Code not for output value but to maintain tactile product sense and stay current with a rapidly changing toolchain.
- •Async Agent Routines Replace Morning Rituals: Rather than manually scanning feedback channels each morning, Fung uses Claude Code routines — scheduled agents that run at set times, synthesize Slack feedback, identify bug themes, and generate draft PRs for review. This shifts engineering management from synchronous prompt-and-respond to asynchronous agent orchestration, where the manager wakes to a queue of reviewed outputs rather than raw inputs requiring manual triage.
- •High Agency Requires Paired Accountability: The Claude Code and Cowork teams operate on explicit "high agency, high accountability" pairing. Engineers are given freedom to identify and pursue problems independently, but each initiative requires a stated hypothesis and measurable outcome. This prevents agency from becoming directionless motion — the accountability structure ensures that autonomy connects to product outcomes rather than just throughput metrics like lines of code or token usage.
- •Two Hiring Profiles for AI-Native Teams: Fung identifies two distinct profiles that perform well on AI-native engineering teams: creative builders with strong product sense who own features end-to-end and iterate on user feedback, and deep systems experts who provide the subject-matter verification that models still cannot reliably self-check. Teams that hire only generalists risk shipping architecturally unsound code at high velocity; the systems experts serve as the trust-but-verify layer.
- •Pairwise Programming Lunches Counter Agent Isolation: As engineers increasingly work solo with AI agents, Anthropic's Claude Code team noticed a rise in reported loneliness. In response, the team introduced pairwise programming lunches where engineers work in parallel on their own tasks but in shared sessions. The practice revealed that team members use Claude Code in substantially different ways, generating cross-pollination of workflow techniques that neither dashboards nor retrospectives would surface.
- •JIT Monthly Planning Replaces Roadmaps: Six-month roadmaps became obsolete on the Claude Code team within three months of creation due to the pace of change. Fung now uses just-in-time monthly planning: a lightweight spreadsheet of priorities for the coming month, with a brief weekly check-in to confirm those priorities remain valid. Themes spanning longer horizons are discussed at biannual team gatherings, but execution planning stays at a one-month horizon with weekly recalibration.
Notable Moment
Fung describes setting up a persistent Claude Code session with access to all team repos and Slack channels, then using it as a monthly management tool — not to generate code, but to surface incident themes, identify quality hotspots, and structure one-on-one conversations with engineers. She frames this as the only scalable way to stay meaningfully close to work at 8x output velocity.
Episode Transcript
Anthropic engineers on average have eight times as much code per quarter as they did compared to 2025. Coding is no longer the bottleneck. It's lifted the ceiling of what anyone is able to do. Everything is now possible in theory. Now it's about how ambitious can you be. It's always something we ask ourselves, what's better than me doing it? Having thought too. The people that seem to be doing best are taking the most initiative, getting the most proactive, have the most agency. We say with high agency is also high accountability. So it's all about making sure folks have that freedom to cook. But then it's also like, okay. What's the accountability for it? What's the hypothesis of what you're trying to solve? I'm curious what is lost in this new world of software engineering. It could start being a lonely experience because we all started just working with our agents so much. And on the codeine recently, we started a pairwise programming lunch. Something you think about is this gap forming between people that are leaning into AI, killing it, and then people that are not super frustrated, fighting, resisting. In terms of frustration, I think sometimes I also see a little bit of fear. For anything that there is a fear, my advice is lean in and ask what can I do about it? What is within my control? Today, my guest is Fiona Fung. Fiona leads the teams behind Claude Code and co work at Anthropic. She oversees both Boris Czerny and Kat Wu, both of whom who have been on the podcast, and whose episodes are in the top 10 most listened to episodes of all time. Before Anthropic, at Microsoft, Fiona ran the teams that built TypeScript and Visual Studio. After that, she went to Facebook where she started the Facebook Marketplace team, which she took from idea to launch. Today, Facebook Marketplace generates over $100,000,000,000 in GMV every year. Also while at Meta, she oversaw work on Meta's first smart glasses product, and then she helped build Orion, their first AR glasses product. Then she went to Instagram where she led infrastructure, growth, integrity, and safety teams. While at Instagram and at Meta, she oversaw an org of over 500 people. Fiona has been an engineer for over twenty five years. And as a long time engineering leader, especially now at Anthropic, She has such a unique lens into where things are heading, what's worth paying attention to, and what teams should be thinking about right now as AI transforms the world of building. A huge thank you to Cat Wu, Boris Cherney, and Mohammed Hegazi for suggesting topics and questions for this conversation. Before we get into it, don't forget to check out Lenny's productpass.com for a free year of the hottest and most well crafted AI products in the world available exclusively to Lenny's newsletter subscribers. With that, I I bring you Fiona Fung. Fiona, thank you so much …
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