Stanford's Most Controversial Professor on Why Power Is Good For You | Jeffrey Pfeffer
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64 min
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3 min
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Career Growth, Health & Wellness, Relationships
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Power and longevity: British epidemiologist Sir Michael Marmot's Whitehall Studies found that higher-ranked civil servants had significantly lower cardiovascular disease risk — not due to genetics, but because higher rank correlates with greater job control. Lack of control triggers chronic stress responses that damage health. Pfeffer's conclusion: pursue power as if your life depends on it, because epidemiological data suggests it literally does.
- ✓Self-promotion gap: Most people systematically undersell themselves due to cultural conditioning toward modesty. Pfeffer's fix is a 60-to-90-second brand statement that communicates who you are, what you do, and why you are uniquely qualified — told through a specific anecdote, not a resume recitation. A Stanford MBA student's single-sentence brand statement about transforming Black American healthcare generated immediate offers of help from classmates.
- ✓Weak ties outperform strong ties: Sociologist Mark Granovetter's 1973 research on "the strength of weak ties" demonstrated that most people find jobs through acquaintances, not close friends — because strong ties share the same information and networks. Build a large base of weak connections alongside a few strong ones for honest feedback. The host's own first two career jobs both came through loose acquaintances, confirming the pattern.
- ✓Networking as performance: Naval Ravikant's widely cited claim that great work attracts its own network is contradicted by how venture capital itself functions — VCs are professional brokers whose value is entirely network-dependent. Ron Burt's research at investment banks shows the most connected employees receive the most promotions. Performance and networking multiply each other: visibility without competence exposes weakness; competence without visibility goes unnoticed.
- ✓Rule-breaking requires tolerating disapproval: Southwest Airlines' 20-minute turnaround and Whole Foods' store-level inventory autonomy both emerged from ignoring industry conventions. Pfeffer argues most people conceptually endorse rule-breaking but retreat when facing actual social friction. The host's podcast title "How to Take Over the World" drew near-universal requests to change it — illustrating that genuine rule-breaking produces real discomfort, not just theoretical risk, and requires accepting that not everyone will approve.
What It Covers
Stanford GSB professor Jeffrey Pfeffer presents research-backed evidence that pursuing power extends lifespan, reduces stress, and enables real-world impact. Drawing on epidemiological studies, organizational research, and Silicon Valley case studies, he outlines seven concrete rules for acquiring and using power — arguing that ethical people opting out of power leaves it to those with fewer scruples.
Key Questions Answered
- •Power and longevity: British epidemiologist Sir Michael Marmot's Whitehall Studies found that higher-ranked civil servants had significantly lower cardiovascular disease risk — not due to genetics, but because higher rank correlates with greater job control. Lack of control triggers chronic stress responses that damage health. Pfeffer's conclusion: pursue power as if your life depends on it, because epidemiological data suggests it literally does.
- •Self-promotion gap: Most people systematically undersell themselves due to cultural conditioning toward modesty. Pfeffer's fix is a 60-to-90-second brand statement that communicates who you are, what you do, and why you are uniquely qualified — told through a specific anecdote, not a resume recitation. A Stanford MBA student's single-sentence brand statement about transforming Black American healthcare generated immediate offers of help from classmates.
- •Weak ties outperform strong ties: Sociologist Mark Granovetter's 1973 research on "the strength of weak ties" demonstrated that most people find jobs through acquaintances, not close friends — because strong ties share the same information and networks. Build a large base of weak connections alongside a few strong ones for honest feedback. The host's own first two career jobs both came through loose acquaintances, confirming the pattern.
- •Networking as performance: Naval Ravikant's widely cited claim that great work attracts its own network is contradicted by how venture capital itself functions — VCs are professional brokers whose value is entirely network-dependent. Ron Burt's research at investment banks shows the most connected employees receive the most promotions. Performance and networking multiply each other: visibility without competence exposes weakness; competence without visibility goes unnoticed.
- •Rule-breaking requires tolerating disapproval: Southwest Airlines' 20-minute turnaround and Whole Foods' store-level inventory autonomy both emerged from ignoring industry conventions. Pfeffer argues most people conceptually endorse rule-breaking but retreat when facing actual social friction. The host's podcast title "How to Take Over the World" drew near-universal requests to change it — illustrating that genuine rule-breaking produces real discomfort, not just theoretical risk, and requires accepting that not everyone will approve.
- •Use power decisively or lose it: Imposter syndrome causes many people to acquire power and then fail to deploy it. Pfeffer's own 20-month tenure directing Stanford Executive Education succeeded by acting without waiting for consensus. Caesars CEO Gary Loveman's example — laying off 13,000 employees to preserve 60,000 jobs — illustrates that senior-level decisions inherently involve trade-offs that will displease someone. Waiting for universal approval before acting is itself a decision that produces worse outcomes.
Notable Moment
Pfeffer describes a former Netscape engineer who, after taking his power course, deliberately stopped doing his day job and spent his time building relationships with senior leadership instead. That network investment led to him becoming employee number eleven at a then-unknown startup called Google, ultimately generating a personal return of roughly two and a half billion dollars.
Episode Transcript
A venture capitalist in in Silicon Valley guru named Naval Ravikant, and he has a quote. Networking is overrated. Go do something great, and your network will instantly emerge. You gotta be kidding me. Alright. Alright. Go on. What I would say. I think that's I think that's insane. If you do great work, how in the hell is anybody gonna discover that great work if nobody knows who you are? Hello, and welcome to how to take over the world. This is Ben Wilson. Today's episode features an interview with doctor Jeffrey Pfeffer who is a professor at the Stanford Graduate School of Business. Doctor Pfeffer's research all revolves around power and how to take it. One of the things I love about the way that he approaches it is that he views power from a very practical standpoint. This isn't like highfalutin theory. It is research backed ideas for practical things that you can do to take more power in your life whether that is at school or at work or politically or within your organization or community, whatever context you're within. I just think when we have a message in our society that power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely. What does that mean? It means that good people are gonna listen to that advice and kind of antisocial sociopathic people are just not gonna listen to your advice anyway and they're gonna seek power anyway. So that's why I really believe that we should be sending message. Yes. Seek more power. Try try to pursue more power and that is what Jeffrey Pfeffer teaches. So without further ado, here is the interview with doctor Jeffrey Pfeffer. I'm a show you how great I am. This would have mighty power. I just want a second to the bottom of my heart. I'd like to take this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody. Alright. Great, Jeffrey. Thanks for taking the time to be on the podcast. It is an honor to be invited to be on such a popular podcast. Thank you. Well, the, the first thing I wanted to talk about is whether power is worth pursuing because I think, there are certain cliches or phrases that can just stick in people's minds and change the way that an entire society thinks. And I think one of those is power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And so my first question is, do you think that's true, that power corrupts? It depends upon what you mean by corrupt. The problem with me is that as a social scientist, I always have looking for precision. So when, you know, so when somebody says to me, how does something affect organizational performance, I would say, what do you mean by performance? Because there are various dimensions of organizational performance and that are, by the way, not highly correlated with each other. So what do you mean by corruption? There is research done by Dacher Keltner and my colleague Deborah Gruenfeld and …
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- Whitehall StudiesBy guest
by Sir Michael Marmot
“British epidemiologist Sir Michael Marmot's Whitehall Studies found that higher-ranked civil servants had significantly lower cardiovascular disease risk — not due to genetics, but because higher rank correlates with greater job control.”
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- The Strength of Weak TiesBy guest
by Mark Granovetter
“Sociologist Mark Granovetter's 1973 research on 'the strength of weak ties' demonstrated that most people find jobs through acquaintances, not close friends — because strong ties share the same information and networks.”
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