141: Jason Fried - Running the Tailwind Business on Basecamp

In this episode of Fullstack Radio, I get a one on one coaching session with Jason Fried on how exactly we should use Basecamp to keep the Tailwind business organized as we start to bring on our first team members. This is Fullstack Radio episode one forty one. One. So the reason that, I wanted to have you on the show today and the stuff that I want to talk about is, the company that I run with my business partner, Steve, we create user interface tools for people. So we run open source projects like Tailwind CSS and, we lately have been building, like, predesigned templates and stuff to sort of we've kind of like a commercial branch of the open source business. We also do educational products and stuff, but it's just been the two of us for a long, long time. And we're hitting the point now where it's like we're drowning and we need to bring people on to help us out. And, that's a really crazy kinda turning point in how things are gonna be going for us, I feel like. And I'm a little bit nervous about it because I, up until now, have just been kind of working for myself, managing my own work. Steve works pretty independently too. But we are hiring a couple of people to come on and help us. And, honestly, I feel like I don't know the first thing about making sure, that that all goes, successful. So I attended a workshop that you guys did at the, Basecamp office a few years back where you kinda walked through how you guys use Basecamp, and it was really eye opening and inspiring to me. But I I feel like at the time, not running my own remote company, there's just lots of stuff that just went one ear and out the other that I missed. Right? And I feel like it'd be awesome to revisit some of that stuff, with you today and talk about some of the ways that you guys run the team at Basecamp, how you use Basecamp to do it, and, sort of lessons learned and mistakes that you made along the way. Yeah. That sounds like a good topic. Clearly, I've got a lot to share about that. So, yeah, any way I could be helpful would be my pleasure. I think the first thing that I'd be kind of curious to know which, is kind of tangentially related, but when I came to the workshop that you guys did at Basecamp, I was sort of surprised that the way that you presented the tool, it was not the way it had sort of been pitched to me over the years. Like, I always thought of Basecamp as like a client team communication project management tool, which I think is absolutely how it started and that was a problem you're solving for yourself in the beginning. But watching you kind of walk through …