138: Tom Preston-Werner - Building Full-Stack JS Apps with Redwood.js

In this episode of Fullstack Radio, I talked to Tom Preston Werner about building full stack JavaScript applications with Redwood JS. This is Fullstack Radio episode one thirty eight. So the reason that I wanted to have you on the show is I don't know when this maybe a month ago, maybe not even a month ago. You and, the team that you've been working with recently announced Redwood JS, which from the outside looks like an attempt to to kind of build the full stack sort of Node. Js JavaScript driven framework that everyone's kind of been wanting for years. The thing that all the Rails developers have been complaining about that didn't exist in in node land. And from the looks of it, it looks like you've got sort of a pretty interesting take on it. So I'm really curious to learn sort of, more about Redwood JS. Absolutely. Yes. So Redwood JS is indeed an attempt to build a full stack framework for JavaScript and to really deploy it in a serverless way. So that's one of the the primary tenants that we have is build it end to end with JavaScript and deploy it to a serverless environment to give you the advantages of the scale that that can bring as well as the global distribution that that can bring. So one thing that we say about Redwood is that it's edge ready. And by that, we mean all of the different parts of redwood should be able to operate on the edge once technology plays out a little bit more. This is not entirely true today, but really we're building redwood today with an eye to the future. So Redwood is not yet fully realized, but the idea is that if we start today with the idea that some of these technologies will exist in the way that we want them to in, say, a year, then we'll be there when the technology is ready. Instead of the technology existing first and then coming in and saying, oh, let's take advantage of this, and then it takes another year or more to build for it. It's like the way that game programmers build their games for the hardware that will exist That doesn't yeah. When they release. Right? We're doing the same thing, but with web technology. So So placing some bets that, some of the tooling that you kind of need to kinda make this thing work, the way you you believe it has the potential to work are going to exist, you know, in the near ish future. Yeah. Absolutely. And so I I can dive into those just real quick to go over them. So as far as the edge readiness goes, so so the whole point of Redwood really is to take advantage of a Jamstack architecture. And so you start with the client, which ends up being a React based, JavaScript, client that can be delivered statically. So So I …