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Should I Turn Off the Internet? (Lessons From a Family That Did) | Monday Advice

65 min episode · 3 min read

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65 min

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3 min

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Career Growth, Productivity, Relationships

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Key Takeaways

  • Physical separation as the only reliable filter: Moody found that willpower alone cannot compete with platforms backed by billions of dollars in behavioral engineering. Removing home internet entirely — rather than using app timers or screen limits — eliminated the mental energy spent resisting urges. The cognitive load of constantly deciding whether to check a device disappears only when access itself is removed, not merely restricted.
  • Sabbath space principle: Moody recommends identifying at least one physical space or recurring time block where digital devices cannot enter — not just a room where phones are discouraged, but a hard boundary. Start with one hour, extend to 24, then a full weekend. The goal is proving personal independence from constant connectivity, a practice with roots in Jewish and Christian Sabbath traditions now applicable in secular contexts.
  • Rebuilding 20th-century infrastructure before disconnecting: Switching off home internet requires actively reinstalling atrophied systems first. Moody's family installed a landline, ordered a physical phone directory, gave all contacts the landline number, and set explicit response-window expectations — 9AM to 6PM, replies within 12 to 24 hours. Without these replacement systems in place, the disconnection creates operational failure rather than intentional simplicity.
  • Friction as a consumption regulator: Moody uses a projector, pull-down screen, and borrowed library DVDs instead of streaming. Setup takes ten minutes and requires selecting titles days in advance. This deliberate friction eliminates passive consumption and binge behavior. Each viewing has a defined endpoint. Applied to a three-year-old, the model produces a child who can sustain attention through a two-hour live performance without behavioral aids like tablets or screens.
  • Work-home separation via geography: Because Moody's cabin sits 12 to 15 minutes from town with no cell signal, work and home life are separated by a physical commute rather than a mental toggle. He works at his university office or a coffee shop, then drives home where no work communication is possible. This structure replicates pre-smartphone norms where employers could not reach employees after hours without calling a household landline — a genuinely intrusive act.

What It Covers

Cal Newport interviews Chris Moody, a former CNN political correspondent who relocated from New York City to a no-internet, no-cell-service log cabin in Boone, North Carolina with his wife and three-year-old son. Moody describes three years of intentional disconnection, the systems built to replace digital infrastructure, and the measurable effects on family life and focused work.

Key Questions Answered

  • Physical separation as the only reliable filter: Moody found that willpower alone cannot compete with platforms backed by billions of dollars in behavioral engineering. Removing home internet entirely — rather than using app timers or screen limits — eliminated the mental energy spent resisting urges. The cognitive load of constantly deciding whether to check a device disappears only when access itself is removed, not merely restricted.
  • Sabbath space principle: Moody recommends identifying at least one physical space or recurring time block where digital devices cannot enter — not just a room where phones are discouraged, but a hard boundary. Start with one hour, extend to 24, then a full weekend. The goal is proving personal independence from constant connectivity, a practice with roots in Jewish and Christian Sabbath traditions now applicable in secular contexts.
  • Rebuilding 20th-century infrastructure before disconnecting: Switching off home internet requires actively reinstalling atrophied systems first. Moody's family installed a landline, ordered a physical phone directory, gave all contacts the landline number, and set explicit response-window expectations — 9AM to 6PM, replies within 12 to 24 hours. Without these replacement systems in place, the disconnection creates operational failure rather than intentional simplicity.
  • Friction as a consumption regulator: Moody uses a projector, pull-down screen, and borrowed library DVDs instead of streaming. Setup takes ten minutes and requires selecting titles days in advance. This deliberate friction eliminates passive consumption and binge behavior. Each viewing has a defined endpoint. Applied to a three-year-old, the model produces a child who can sustain attention through a two-hour live performance without behavioral aids like tablets or screens.
  • Work-home separation via geography: Because Moody's cabin sits 12 to 15 minutes from town with no cell signal, work and home life are separated by a physical commute rather than a mental toggle. He works at his university office or a coffee shop, then drives home where no work communication is possible. This structure replicates pre-smartphone norms where employers could not reach employees after hours without calling a household landline — a genuinely intrusive act.
  • Lifestyle-centric planning over goal-setting: Rather than targeting a specific career outcome, Moody and his wife worked backward from a vision of daily life — time expansion, deep attention, physical presence with family — and followed opportunities that matched it. This approach led to an unpredictable but coherent path: van life, debt elimination, a journalism faculty position, and a cabin without internet. Defining the desired texture of daily life first produces destinations that conventional goal-setting would never generate.

Notable Moment

Moody describes taking his three-year-old son to a two-hour modern dance performance and sitting in the front row. The child, raised without screens or streaming, watched the entire performance without distraction. Adults around them — including older audience members — repeatedly checked their phones before the show ended. The contrast was unprompted and unrehearsed.

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Episode Transcript

Have you ever had one of those days where you're so fed up from the constant connectivity and the distraction that you wish you could just turn back the clock to the nineteen nineties? I mean, I'm talking about a time where work couldn't easily follow you home. Like, if your boss wanted you after hours, he would have to call you on a landline, a time where you could build a delightful evening out of whatever random video you're able to pick up at the rental store? Well, not long ago, I met someone who is doing exactly this. His name is Chris Moody. He teaches journalism at Appalachian State in Boone, North Carolina, which is a a small scenic town that's perched right off of the Blue Ridge Parkway. Now Chris lives along with his wife and his young son in a cabin that's located about fifteen minutes outside of town that receives no cell reception and has no Internet. Their only connection to the outside world is a landline phone. Now this disconnection is on purpose. Chris and his wife used to live a frenetic life in New York City, where Chris was a senior correspondent for CNN politics. But after the pandemic hit, they decided to live more intentionally. Now Chris's situation raises some fascinating questions. What's it actually like to live in nineteen nineties mode? And what lessons can the rest of us learn from his experience? Well, it's Monday, which means it's time for an advice episode of this show, which is the perfect opportunity to seek some answers. So here's what I did. I called up Chris because I wanna find out more about what led him to that cabin in Boone. What is the actual reality of his current life? I have a bunch of questions about some, like, in the weeds details about how does he do this and how does he do that. And most importantly, what lessons can we extract for the rest of us who might also be tempted to try something extreme in the quest for a deeper life? Now look, I love this conversation. You'll hear it in my voice. I I was expecting to come away with mixed emotions. Like, that was cool, but that seems like it was pretty hard. But to be honest, it was almost entirely inspiring. I I think Chris's brand of hybrid simplicity really is pretty compelling, especially when he discusses the impact of this way of living on his young son. Let me give you a spoiler from later in the interview. He tells me about, recently taking his three year old son to a modern dance performance. They were sitting in the front row. And he said his three year old son, who has only grown up around nineteen nineties tech, none none of these, like, screens and iPads and Bluie or whatever, was able to sit and give full focus to this modern dance performance while the …

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