Brené with Lisa Lahey on Immunity to Change, Part 1 of 2

Hi, everyone. I'm Brene Brown, and this is Dare to Lead. Oh my god. We're gonna get about as close as I'm ever gonna get to having, like, a podcast public therapy session. I am talking with the amazing Lisa Leahy. She is a Harvard Graduate School of Education faculty member who has built a body of work to help learners and leaders overcome the innate human aversion to change. Now I don't like to think of myself as someone who's averse to change, but holy shit, am I averse to change? There's this whole immunity to change theory about how change happens, why it's so hard. And I thought we were gonna academically discuss it, but then she takes me on this personal journey of trying to change something in my life that I desperately want to change but just seemingly cannot change no matter how hard I've tried for the last couple of years. It's almost as bad as giving up caffeine free Diet Coke. It's probably even worse because it's like no. I don't know. It's about the same. But I'm glad you're here. It's gonna be so personal and vulnerable. And if you work with me, don't listen because it's gonna be very awkward. Avoiding your unfinished home projects because you're not sure where to start? Thumbtack knows homes, so you don't have to. Don't know the difference between matte paint finish and satin, or what that clunking sound from your dryer is? With Thumbtack, you don't have to be a home pro. You just have to hire one. You can hire top rated pros, see price estimates, and read reviews all on the app. Download today. Support for this show comes from Odoo. Running a business is hard enough. So why make it harder with a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other? Introducing Odoo. It's the only business software you'll ever need. It's an all in one fully integrated platform that makes your work easier. CRM, accounting, inventory, e commerce and more. And the best part? Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. That's why over thousands of businesses have made the switch. So why not you? Try Odoo for free at odoo.com. That's odoo.com. Alright. So before we get started, let me tell you a little bit about doctor Leahy, Lisa. Again, Harvard Graduate School of Education faculty member, Lisa and her long, long time collaborator, Robert Keegan, are credited with a breakthrough discovery the immunity to change, a dynamic which impedes personal and organizational transformation. Her work helps people to close the gap between their good I'm laughing because I got a big gap. To close the gap between their good intentions and behaviors. We're gonna work it. I'm gonna work the program with her guiding me through on something that's really real and vulnerable and hard. Lisa is also the founder of Minds at Work, a coaching and consulting firm serving businesses and institutions around …