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Brené with Aiko Bethea and Ruchika Tulshyan on the Heart of Leadership, Part 2 of 2

34 min episode · 2 min read
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Aiko Bethea

Episode

34 min

Read time

2 min

Topics

Career Growth, Leadership, Science & Discovery

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Key Takeaways

  • Employee Activism Boundaries: Zero-tolerance policies for social or political discussions contradict bring-your-whole-self mandates. For marginalized employees, workplace issues are not optional activism but lived experiences they cannot compartmentalize, revealing inherent privilege in choosing when to engage with social issues.
  • Compartmentalization as Survival: Many employees from underrepresented groups prefer not bringing their whole selves to work. They choose compartmentalization as a coping mechanism, wanting respect and space rather than belonging, especially when coworkers lack awareness about their lived experiences and historical context.
  • Shame as Ineffective Tool: Shame cannot serve as a legitimate social justice instrument because it functions as a primary tool of oppression itself. The current climate of cruelty and gracelessness creates pain discharge rather than meaningful change, with people seeking targets rather than connection and understanding.
  • Restoration While Present: Leaders doing equity work face the unresolved challenge of achieving personal restoration while remaining embodied and present. Witnessing ongoing cruelty and harm while facilitating healing spaces creates exhaustion without clear pathways to sustainable self-renewal and continued effectiveness.

What It Covers

Brené Brown, Aiko Bethea, and Ruchika Tulshyan examine workplace belonging challenges, including employee activism policies, the paradox of bringing your whole self to work, and navigating criticism while doing equity work.

Key Questions Answered

  • Employee Activism Boundaries: Zero-tolerance policies for social or political discussions contradict bring-your-whole-self mandates. For marginalized employees, workplace issues are not optional activism but lived experiences they cannot compartmentalize, revealing inherent privilege in choosing when to engage with social issues.
  • Compartmentalization as Survival: Many employees from underrepresented groups prefer not bringing their whole selves to work. They choose compartmentalization as a coping mechanism, wanting respect and space rather than belonging, especially when coworkers lack awareness about their lived experiences and historical context.
  • Shame as Ineffective Tool: Shame cannot serve as a legitimate social justice instrument because it functions as a primary tool of oppression itself. The current climate of cruelty and gracelessness creates pain discharge rather than meaningful change, with people seeking targets rather than connection and understanding.
  • Restoration While Present: Leaders doing equity work face the unresolved challenge of achieving personal restoration while remaining embodied and present. Witnessing ongoing cruelty and harm while facilitating healing spaces creates exhaustion without clear pathways to sustainable self-renewal and continued effectiveness.

Notable Moment

Brown describes how Bethea created belonging for five brown attendees in a predominantly white audience by centering voices like bell hooks and Audre Lorde, making the majority feel they missed prereading while minorities felt seen and empowered.

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Episode Transcript

Hi, everyone. I'm Brene Brown, and this is Here to Lead. I am back with part two of a very important conversation with two of my friends, mentors, teachers, co creators, Aiko Bathia and Ruchika Tulshian. You really need to listen to the first part of this podcast to jump into the second part. We are talking about what it takes to make space to create change. We talk about psychological safety and safe places versus actually brave places. We talk about what we're all seeing personally and professionally in the state of belonging work, what it is, what's working, what's not working. And in this conversation, we dig into some real some real real issues and some real complex issues. What does it mean to bring your whole self to work? And our workplace is equipped for that, and is that safe? And what does it mean to be restored and how to experience restoration while being present? This is a soulful conversation about soulful work. I said during the first episode, I believe belonging work is at the heart of courageous leadership, and it's the lifeblood. And the lifeblood of the belonging work is emotion. And this is hard work, and it's why it's exhausting to do, to facilitate, to lean into. I'm glad you're here. Avoiding your unfinished home projects because you're not sure where to start? Thumbtack knows homes, so you don't have to. Don't know the difference between matte paint finish and satin, or what that clunking sound from your dryer is? With Thumbtack, you don't have to be a home pro. You just have to hire one. You can hire top rated pros, see price estimates, and read reviews all on the app. Download today. Support for this show comes from Odoo. Running a business is hard enough, so why make it harder with a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other? Introducing Odoo. It's the only business software you'll ever need. It's an all in one fully integrated platform that makes your work easier. CRM, accounting, inventory, e commerce and more. And the best part? Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. That's why over thousands of businesses have made the switch. So why not you? Try Odoo for free at odoo.com. That's odoo.com. So before we jump into the conversation, let me tell you a little bit about our guest. Aiko Pathea is the founder of Rare Coaching and Consulting. She is an innovative leader. Through her work, she coaches leaders and organizations to remove the internal and external barriers to inclusion, allowing them to understand each other as people, colleagues, and teams in more connected ways. During her childhood and throughout her career, Aiko has been in places where people who looked like her were underrepresented. She believes that when you anchor into your values and discover your voice, you can begin to live the life you want to live and be exactly who you …

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  • Brown describes how Bethea created belonging for five brown attendees in a predominantly white audience by centering voices like bell hooks and Audre Lorde, making the majority feel they missed prereading while minorities felt seen and empowered.
  • Brown describes how Bethea created belonging for five brown attendees in a predominantly white audience by centering voices like bell hooks and Audre Lorde, making the majority feel they missed prereading while minorities felt seen and empowered.

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