769: How to Connect Better with Remote Colleagues, with Charles Duhigg
Episode
38 min
Read time
2 min
Topics
Relationships, Psychology & Behavior, Philosophy & Wisdom
AI-Generated Summary
Key Takeaways
- ✓Looping for Understanding: Prove you're listening through three steps: ask a deep question, repeat back what you heard in your own words to show you're thinking about it, then ask if you got it right. This technique works equally well on Zoom or in person and makes others more likely to listen to you in return.
- ✓Three Conversation Types: Every discussion falls into practical (problem-solving using prefrontal cortex), emotional (sharing feelings using basal ganglia), or social (discussing identities and relationships). Successful communication requires matching the same conversation type at the same moment. Mismatches prevent connection, like offering solutions when someone needs empathy about their stressful day.
- ✓Deep Questions Technique: Instead of asking factual questions like where someone went to medical school, ask why they decided to go to medical school. Deep questions invite people to share values, beliefs, and experiences. This works especially well online where social and emotional conversations happen less naturally than practical discussions about tasks and decisions.
- ✓Online Politeness Effect: Studies of Wikipedia editors show that when just one person starts saying please and thank you during online disputes, the overall conversation temperature drops by up to 40 percent. Politeness matters significantly more in digital communication than face-to-face interactions. Avoid sarcasm online since vocal tone and facial expressions that signal sarcasm in person are absent.
- ✓Zoom Meeting Structure: Replicate three elements of successful in-person meetings: allow chitchat time before the meeting starts, ensure equality in conversational turn-taking where everyone participates, and practice ostentatious listening by explicitly referencing what others said. Leaders who model ostentatious listening cause others to unconsciously mirror this behavior, improving group listening overall.
What It Covers
Charles Duhigg explains how to build stronger connections with remote colleagues by understanding three conversation types, using deep questions, and applying communication techniques adapted for digital platforms. He draws parallels between telephone adoption a century ago and today's virtual communication challenges, offering specific strategies for Zoom meetings and online interactions.
Key Questions Answered
- •Looping for Understanding: Prove you're listening through three steps: ask a deep question, repeat back what you heard in your own words to show you're thinking about it, then ask if you got it right. This technique works equally well on Zoom or in person and makes others more likely to listen to you in return.
- •Three Conversation Types: Every discussion falls into practical (problem-solving using prefrontal cortex), emotional (sharing feelings using basal ganglia), or social (discussing identities and relationships). Successful communication requires matching the same conversation type at the same moment. Mismatches prevent connection, like offering solutions when someone needs empathy about their stressful day.
- •Deep Questions Technique: Instead of asking factual questions like where someone went to medical school, ask why they decided to go to medical school. Deep questions invite people to share values, beliefs, and experiences. This works especially well online where social and emotional conversations happen less naturally than practical discussions about tasks and decisions.
- •Online Politeness Effect: Studies of Wikipedia editors show that when just one person starts saying please and thank you during online disputes, the overall conversation temperature drops by up to 40 percent. Politeness matters significantly more in digital communication than face-to-face interactions. Avoid sarcasm online since vocal tone and facial expressions that signal sarcasm in person are absent.
- •Zoom Meeting Structure: Replicate three elements of successful in-person meetings: allow chitchat time before the meeting starts, ensure equality in conversational turn-taking where everyone participates, and practice ostentatious listening by explicitly referencing what others said. Leaders who model ostentatious listening cause others to unconsciously mirror this behavior, improving group listening overall.
Notable Moment
Duhigg reveals that when telephones first became popular a century ago, experts predicted real conversations would never happen on phones because people couldn't see facial expressions or gestures. For fifteen years, people only used phones like telegraphs for placing orders. Eventually, society learned unconscious rules like over-enunciating by 30 percent and adding 20 percent more vocal emotion.
Episode Transcript
A lot of us grew up in a world where most of our relationships started in person. That means many of us are beautifully equipped for a world that no longer exists. In this episode, how to get better at connecting in a remote first world. This is Coaching for Leaders episode 769. Produced by Innovate Learning, maximizing human potential. Greetings to you from Orange County, California. This is Coaching for Leaders, and I'm your host, Dave Stachowiak. Leaders aren't born, they're made. And this weekly show helps leaders thrive at key inflection points. An inflection point we have all been through in recent years is doing so much more in communication, leading, managing, building sometimes entire relationships online and remote. How can we get better at being able to connect well with remote colleagues? Today, I'm so glad to welcome back a guest who's an expert on communication will help us to look at this in new ways. I'm so pleased to welcome back to the show Charles Duhigg. He's a Pulitzer prize winning investigative journalist and the author of the Power of Habit and Smarter Faster Better. He is the winner of the National Academies of Sciences, National Journalism, and George Polk awards. He writes for The New Yorker and other publications and is the author of Supercommunicators, How to Unlock the Secret Language of Connection, now available in paperback. Charles, good to have you back. Thanks for having me on, Dave. It's good to it's good to visit with you again. It's good to see you too. And we both grew up in a world where people mostly connected in person to build just how just how we do this better. How has this online shift changed how you interact with people, especially in these last five years? Well, it's interesting. Right? Because I think that one of the things, you're right that when we were growing up, a lot of connection happened in person, but it also happened over the telephone, right? Like in middle school, I'm sure we both had these seven hour conversations that were the most important conversations of our lives at that moment. And what's interesting though is that when the telephone was a new technology about a hundred years ago when phones first started getting popular in The United States, there were all these articles that came out that said no one will ever have a real conversation on the phone. Right? Because until then, all conversations had essentially happened face to face. And they said, look. If you're on a phone with someone and you can't see their facial expressions, you can't hear their tone of voice with, like, real clarity, you can't see the gestures of their hands, there's no way that you're gonna be able to connect with someone. It's just you're never gonna have a real conversation. And what's interesting is all those studies and all that prognostication, it was right. For about the next fifteen years, …
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