Always Come Back to the Why | Alan and Katie Donegan | Ep 569
Episode
86 min
Read time
2 min
Topics
Productivity, Personal Finance, Investing
AI-Generated Summary
Key Takeaways
- ✓Monthly Finance Meetings: Track net worth and spending on the last day of each month using a Google Sheet and digital notebook. Answer consistent questions about good spends, bad spends, and areas to adjust. Make it enjoyable with breakfast burritos and coffee rather than treating it as a chore to maintain consistency over their ten-year tracking streak.
- ✓Flexible Withdrawal Strategy: Calculate spending based on 5% of current portfolio value rather than the original retirement amount, adjusting the baseline as the portfolio grows. This approach restarts the sequence of returns risk period but provides flexibility to reduce spending through geographic arbitrage if markets decline, such as moving from expensive cities to lower-cost countries like Vietnam at $100 daily.
- ✓Geographic Arbitrage for Spending Control: Daily cost tracking across countries reveals dramatic differences, from $84 per day in Vietnam to significantly higher amounts in Palm Springs or Los Angeles. This flexibility serves as a backup plan if markets crash, allowing immediate spending reductions by relocating to lower-cost countries for extended periods without sacrificing quality of life.
- ✓Portfolio Growth Despite Withdrawals: Starting with $1 million in 2019, their portfolio grew to $2.6 million by 2025 while funding six years of travel and living expenses. This demonstrates compound growth can outpace withdrawals even during spending years, with their current net worth exceeding total lifetime earnings despite consistent portfolio withdrawals for living expenses.
- ✓Adult Friendship Building: Make friends by lowering the definition barrier of what constitutes friendship and taking initiative to invite people for specific activities like hikes or coffee. Reach out via Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp without overthinking response times, accepting that busy adults may take weeks to reply without it reflecting on the friendship quality.
What It Covers
Alan and Katie Donegan from Rebel Finance School discuss their financial independence journey, revealing they retired in 2019 with $1 million invested and now have $2.6 million after six years of traveling and spending. They share their monthly finance meeting process, withdrawal strategies, and how they maintain flexibility while living off their portfolio.
Key Questions Answered
- •Monthly Finance Meetings: Track net worth and spending on the last day of each month using a Google Sheet and digital notebook. Answer consistent questions about good spends, bad spends, and areas to adjust. Make it enjoyable with breakfast burritos and coffee rather than treating it as a chore to maintain consistency over their ten-year tracking streak.
- •Flexible Withdrawal Strategy: Calculate spending based on 5% of current portfolio value rather than the original retirement amount, adjusting the baseline as the portfolio grows. This approach restarts the sequence of returns risk period but provides flexibility to reduce spending through geographic arbitrage if markets decline, such as moving from expensive cities to lower-cost countries like Vietnam at $100 daily.
- •Geographic Arbitrage for Spending Control: Daily cost tracking across countries reveals dramatic differences, from $84 per day in Vietnam to significantly higher amounts in Palm Springs or Los Angeles. This flexibility serves as a backup plan if markets crash, allowing immediate spending reductions by relocating to lower-cost countries for extended periods without sacrificing quality of life.
- •Portfolio Growth Despite Withdrawals: Starting with $1 million in 2019, their portfolio grew to $2.6 million by 2025 while funding six years of travel and living expenses. This demonstrates compound growth can outpace withdrawals even during spending years, with their current net worth exceeding total lifetime earnings despite consistent portfolio withdrawals for living expenses.
- •Adult Friendship Building: Make friends by lowering the definition barrier of what constitutes friendship and taking initiative to invite people for specific activities like hikes or coffee. Reach out via Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp without overthinking response times, accepting that busy adults may take weeks to reply without it reflecting on the friendship quality.
- •Index Fund Strategy Over Market Timing: Maintain a globally diversified simple index fund portfolio regardless of market predictions or concentration concerns about top companies. Fear-based content typically ends with pitches for stock-picking courses, while historical data shows even professional active managers cannot consistently beat index returns over decades, making passive investing the only replicable strategy for most investors.
Notable Moment
Alan reveals he tracked their entire lifetime income and discovered their current net worth exceeds everything they ever earned combined. Despite spending money on travel, food, and experiences for years, the power of compounding means they have technically lived for free, with their invested dollars growing and being spent multiple times over through market returns.
Episode Transcript
Hello, and welcome to Chooseify. Today in the show, we have my good friends Katie and Alan Donegan from the Rebel Finance School, and they're back for another fun, far ranging, random episode. And this episode has a little bit of everything, but it ultimately surrounds always come back to the why. What's that huge WHY? Why are we doing this? Why are we following this path to phi? And it really can range from every aspect of our lives. We talk a lot about Alan and Katie's journey, their monthly finance meetings, tracking their spending, and really what are they spending on that adds value to their life, where can they spend less, and a whole host of other topics. I think you're really gonna enjoy this episode. And with that, welcome to Choose Zephy. Katie and Alan, welcome back to the show. This is gonna be fun. I'm looking forward to it. I am so excited to be here, and we have a huge list of things. I was like, I have questions Brad. I need to know. Are we gonna put him on the spot? Oh, yes. Oh, boy. You guys so we did this 10 episodes ago in episode five fifty nine, where we just have a fun conversation. We have this list of, random Google Doc of all sorts of different topics, and we just, get into it. And you two definitely, brought out the spicy side of me, which was fun. I, there was a fifteen minute segment in there, I think, from, like, the forty four minute mark where I'm like I was just on fire. I listened back to it, and it was, it was a good time. Would you call it a rant? Yeah. Maybe three rants, three distinct rants. But yeah. No. That was fun. I think I think people like these. I I I definitely got a lot of really positive feedback from that episode, and I think people really like hearing conversations amongst friends. Right. It's like, that's, what's so great about podcasting generally is it's, you're a fly on the wall in a conversation that you'd like to be a part of if you had the opportunity. I think that's, that's why I listen to podcasts. So that's why we decided to do another one of these hot on the heels of the last episode. So I guess let's start with where in the world are the Donegans right now? We are currently in Palm Springs, California. We've come out to the desert to see what it's all about. And so far, we are loving it because the hiking is beautiful. The scenery is gorgeous. The mountains. The sky is so blue. I was outside today and I was like, I didn't know the sky was that blue. We don't have blue sky in The UK. Maybe three days a year? Yeah, exactly. Oh, that's funny. So how long are you in The US for? And I …
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