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[REPLAY] Matt Whineray – Leading New Zealand Super Fund (Capital Allocators, EP.108)

60 min episode · 3 min read
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Matt Whineray

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60 min

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3 min

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Productivity, Relationships, Investing

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Key Takeaways

  • Reference Portfolio Framework: New Zealand Super uses an 80-20 passive benchmark (65% developed equities, 10% emerging markets, 5% New Zealand equities, 20% fixed income) as their risk tolerance baseline. The board sets this every five years, then management gets 4% active risk budget to outperform it. This structure has generated 1.5% annual alpha over 15 years, adding 8 billion dollars in value through clear accountability separation.
  • Risk Allocation Process: The fund organizes opportunities into five baskets (structural, real assets, broad markets, credit-funding, asset selection) rather than traditional asset classes. Each basket gets risk budget allocations that can shift dynamically based on market attractiveness. Strategic tilting receives 2.5% of the 4% total active risk budget because it aligns with long-horizon endowments and mean reversion beliefs, making it the largest single active strategy.
  • Strategic Tilting Execution: The internal team manages mean reversion strategies across global equities, bonds, currencies, credit, and commodities using derivatives. They build DCF models for each market using long-run growth, inflation, and real rate assumptions to determine equilibrium values. When markets deviate, they incrementally buy undervalued positions and sell as prices normalize. The team trades daily and benefits from sovereign counterparty status and integrated liquidity management.
  • Manager Selection Criteria: External managers must offer flexible mandates at roughly 200 million dollar minimums to allow dynamic risk allocation based on opportunity attractiveness. The fund maintains fewer, deeper relationships to negotiate drawdown flexibility rather than locked fund commitments. Managers in New Zealand active equities succeed because retail investors and international holders provide alpha sources, unlike efficient US markets where active managers collectively underperform after fees.
  • Internal vs External Decision Framework: Alignment drives the build-versus-buy decision more than cost. Strategic tilting stays internal because external managers face client pressure to reduce positions during drawdowns, exactly when mean reversion strategies need conviction. Specialized strategies like distressed credit, merger arbitrage, and life settlements go to external experts like Bain and Canyon. The 50-person investment team focuses where they control critical risk parameters and timing.

What It Covers

Matt Whineray, CEO of New Zealand's Superannuation Fund, explains how the organization manages 42 billion kiwi dollars using a reference portfolio approach with four competitive endowments and nine investment beliefs. The fund targets an 80-20 equity-bond allocation, employs strategic tilting as its largest active risk strategy, and operates with complete operational independence to smooth retirement costs through 2100.

Key Questions Answered

  • Reference Portfolio Framework: New Zealand Super uses an 80-20 passive benchmark (65% developed equities, 10% emerging markets, 5% New Zealand equities, 20% fixed income) as their risk tolerance baseline. The board sets this every five years, then management gets 4% active risk budget to outperform it. This structure has generated 1.5% annual alpha over 15 years, adding 8 billion dollars in value through clear accountability separation.
  • Risk Allocation Process: The fund organizes opportunities into five baskets (structural, real assets, broad markets, credit-funding, asset selection) rather than traditional asset classes. Each basket gets risk budget allocations that can shift dynamically based on market attractiveness. Strategic tilting receives 2.5% of the 4% total active risk budget because it aligns with long-horizon endowments and mean reversion beliefs, making it the largest single active strategy.
  • Strategic Tilting Execution: The internal team manages mean reversion strategies across global equities, bonds, currencies, credit, and commodities using derivatives. They build DCF models for each market using long-run growth, inflation, and real rate assumptions to determine equilibrium values. When markets deviate, they incrementally buy undervalued positions and sell as prices normalize. The team trades daily and benefits from sovereign counterparty status and integrated liquidity management.
  • Manager Selection Criteria: External managers must offer flexible mandates at roughly 200 million dollar minimums to allow dynamic risk allocation based on opportunity attractiveness. The fund maintains fewer, deeper relationships to negotiate drawdown flexibility rather than locked fund commitments. Managers in New Zealand active equities succeed because retail investors and international holders provide alpha sources, unlike efficient US markets where active managers collectively underperform after fees.
  • Internal vs External Decision Framework: Alignment drives the build-versus-buy decision more than cost. Strategic tilting stays internal because external managers face client pressure to reduce positions during drawdowns, exactly when mean reversion strategies need conviction. Specialized strategies like distressed credit, merger arbitrage, and life settlements go to external experts like Bain and Canyon. The 50-person investment team focuses where they control critical risk parameters and timing.
  • Asset Class Life Cycle Assessment: Forestry and life settlements have matured past peak excess returns as institutional capital flooded in and large tertiary transactions completed. Agriculture remains earlier in the cycle because billion-dollar scale remains difficult when individual farms transact at 10-20 million dollars. Private equity excess returns compress as more intermediaries create competitive bidding for 200-400 million dollar companies that were previously inefficient markets.

Notable Moment

Whineray reveals the fund uses employee stories rather than surveys to define organizational values. They collected 120 narratives from 130 staff about proud moments and difficult decisions, then extracted themes revealing five core values: stand strong, principle-based decisions, support each other, future-focused, and team not hero. They created cartoons for each value to provide constructive ambiguity while maintaining shared meaning across the organization.

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Episode Transcript

Hello. I'm Ted Sides, and this is Capital Allocators. This show is an open exploration of the people and process behind capital allocation. Through conversations with leaders in the money game, we learn how these holders of the keys to the kingdom allocate their time and their capital. You can keep up to date by visiting capitalallocatorspodcast.com. My guest on today's show is Matt Winire, the CEO of New Zealand's Superannuation Fund or Superfund, one of the highest performing, most innovative, and well regarded large scale investment allocators in the world. The New Zealand government created the Superfund in 2001 to help defray the costs of retirees in the country in the decades to come. Matt joined the organization in 2008 and became its CEO in 2018, where today he oversees 42,000,000,000 kiwi dollars. Our conversation starts with Matt's background investment philosophy, which is guided by four competitive advantages, or endowments as he calls them, and nine investment beliefs. From there, we dive into the implementation of the strategy, From there, we dive into the implementation of the strategy, covering the risk allocation process, reference portfolio or benchmark using liquid assets, long term risk budget, and medium term tactical targets across the five risk baskets. We discussed the difference between these risk allocations and a traditional asset class structure, the hybrid structure employing both internal and external managers, internal strategic tilting program, the structure of the team, his current perspectives on asset classes, ESG, scaling activities to support upcoming inflows, and culture. Before we get going, you can sign up capitalallocatorspodcast.com to receive three different sources of information. Using the buttons on the homepage or the email list tab, you can receive an email from me once a month with the best things I've read and listened to over the month. While on that page, you can also sign up to receive our blog of industry news. Lastly, hop on the premium tab and subscribe to get access to the library of transcripts of podcast shows. Feel free to forward the emails you receive to friends to help spread the word. Please enjoy my conversation with Matt Winere. Matt, thanks so much for joining me. No trouble, Ted. Great to be here. Well, let's just start with your background and how you got to this lofty seat in the first place. So I started life originally as a lawyer. I was at at university. I did law and commerce. I came out of that. I worked as a lawyer for a few years, but I always wanted to go and work in New York. And so at that stage, it was harder to do it as a lawyer. You had to go and study in The US. So I had a good mate who was in investment banking. I knew that team well and when he went to New York, I essentially took his job here at Credit Suisse in New Zealand and then a couple of years later got …

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