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From a $35K Salary to Owning 3 Rentals (Starting in 2024!)

34 min episode · 2 min read
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Flo Jacques

Episode

34 min

Read time

2 min

Topics

Personal Finance, Relationships, Investing

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Key Takeaways

  • Hard Money Financing for Beginners: Seek hard money lenders with no experience requirements who offer 100% financing of purchase and rehab costs up to 75% ARV. Flo's lender charged 12.99% interest and 2.99% origination for the first three deals, dropping to 10.99% and 1.99% after that loyalty threshold, enabling portfolio growth with minimal upfront capital.
  • Conservative ARV Structuring in Cheap Markets: In low-cost, high-renter markets like Rocky Mount, NC, underwrite deals at 65% ARV rather than 75% to account for sparse comparable sales. Thin comp pools cause appraisers and underwriters to challenge valuations, as Flo experienced a $26,000 appraisal reduction on her first rehab due to insufficient nearby sales data.
  • Contractor Management Protocol: Walk every property with your contractor before signing agreements, obtain a detailed budget, then add a substantial contingency buffer on top. Flo's duplex rehab ran from a $65,000 estimate to roughly $130,000 partly due to absent site visits and over-reliance on photo updates, a mistake she corrected on her third deal.
  • Turning Deal Defects Into Negotiating Leverage: Properties with code violations or structural issues that deter most buyers create below-market acquisition opportunities. Flo purchased a Raleigh single-family with sub-seven-foot ceilings — below the city's minimum — for $120,000 against a conservative $337,000 ARV by budgeting the roof-raise renovation that other investors were unwilling to execute.
  • BRRRR Sequencing with Short-Term Rental Conversion: Converting a duplex into furnished Airbnb and midterm rental units after a BRRRR refinance can generate $800–$1,000 monthly cash flow on a $287,000 purchase. Markets with stronger comparable sales support higher appraisals, enabling larger cash-out refinances that fund subsequent acquisitions without requiring significant personal savings between deals.

What It Covers

Flo Jacques, a North Carolina investor earning $35,000 annually as a college admissions counselor, builds a three-property portfolio within eighteen months starting in 2024 by using 100% hard money financing, executing full gut rehabs, and targeting underpriced markets outside Raleigh-Durham despite contractor failures and budget overruns.

Key Questions Answered

  • Hard Money Financing for Beginners: Seek hard money lenders with no experience requirements who offer 100% financing of purchase and rehab costs up to 75% ARV. Flo's lender charged 12.99% interest and 2.99% origination for the first three deals, dropping to 10.99% and 1.99% after that loyalty threshold, enabling portfolio growth with minimal upfront capital.
  • Conservative ARV Structuring in Cheap Markets: In low-cost, high-renter markets like Rocky Mount, NC, underwrite deals at 65% ARV rather than 75% to account for sparse comparable sales. Thin comp pools cause appraisers and underwriters to challenge valuations, as Flo experienced a $26,000 appraisal reduction on her first rehab due to insufficient nearby sales data.
  • Contractor Management Protocol: Walk every property with your contractor before signing agreements, obtain a detailed budget, then add a substantial contingency buffer on top. Flo's duplex rehab ran from a $65,000 estimate to roughly $130,000 partly due to absent site visits and over-reliance on photo updates, a mistake she corrected on her third deal.
  • Turning Deal Defects Into Negotiating Leverage: Properties with code violations or structural issues that deter most buyers create below-market acquisition opportunities. Flo purchased a Raleigh single-family with sub-seven-foot ceilings — below the city's minimum — for $120,000 against a conservative $337,000 ARV by budgeting the roof-raise renovation that other investors were unwilling to execute.
  • BRRRR Sequencing with Short-Term Rental Conversion: Converting a duplex into furnished Airbnb and midterm rental units after a BRRRR refinance can generate $800–$1,000 monthly cash flow on a $287,000 purchase. Markets with stronger comparable sales support higher appraisals, enabling larger cash-out refinances that fund subsequent acquisitions without requiring significant personal savings between deals.

Notable Moment

While searching for deals to send an investor client, Flo noticed a bulk listing of 19 distressed properties from a retiring landlord. She submitted offers for her client on three, then simultaneously submitted her own offers on two others — her first investment purchases emerging almost accidentally from a client transaction.

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Episode Transcript

From a $35,000 a year salary to owning three investment properties in just two years, that's investor flow Jacques' story. And it started with a simple decision at age 22 to buy a home instead of renting. Most people wait for the perfect time. Flo did not wait at all. Fresh out of college, working as a college admissions counselor, Flo had saved $15,000. And instead of letting it sit in the bank, she used it to buy her first home in North Carolina. That purchase wasn't her endgame. It was just the beginning. Over the next few years, Flo educated herself about investing and networked relentlessly. When she finally felt ready, she jumped in with a full gut rehab on a roach infested property in a flood zone. That first deal tested everything. Almost everything that could go wrong did go wrong, but Flo didn't quit. She didn't even slow down. She adapted, problem solved, and a month later, she bought a duplex, then another property shortly after that. Today, Flo is building a portfolio focused on multifamily properties and has her sights set on real estate development. This episode isn't about waiting for the perfect moment or having a 6 figure income. It's about taking action with what you you have, learning fast, and refusing to settle for forty years of a typical nine to five career. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the Bigger Pockets podcast. I'm Henry Washington. I've been investing in real estate in Arkansas and Missouri since 2017, and my cohost, Dave Meyer, is here with me. It's still weird saying that. My cohost, Dave Meyer, is here with me. What's up, Dave? I love it. You have to do all the reading. I just get to sit here. This is the best. Today's guest is Flo Jacques, an investor from North Carolina who went from a $35,000 a year job to managing and growing a rental property portfolio in just a few years. Flo's story is all about taking action fast, so let's jump right in. Flo, welcome to the show. I'm so psyched to be here. That's awesome. I'm glad you are here. Sounds like you've got a pretty interesting story. So why don't you start and tell us about your background and what you were doing just before you got into real estate? Just before I got into real estate, I was actually a college admissions counselor. So I I was blessed and fortunate to purchase my first home at 22 years old. Oh, wow. I remember being in my senior semester, like my last semester of college, and I had a good bit of money that I had saved from working multiple jobs. And something clicked and was like, I wonder if I can buy instead of rent. Mhmm. And I remember at that period in time, I was also considering renovating homes. You know, I wanted to flip homes, build wealth through real estate. What year was this? …

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