Is the Crypto-Native Era Coming to an End? - Lessons from 10 Years in Crypto with Joey Krug, Founders Fund Partner

Single person who interacts with any web service, it's almost always running Linux in the back end. Another lens on this, I guess, looking you look at, like, Polymarket, you you basically have, you know, Robinhood, Coinbase, and then and then PolyMarkets, like, three or four in terms of site traffic. Most of these people don't even know it uses crypto. They're just browsing the site to see what the odds are because they're curious because it, you know, informs them in some way throughout their day. And that's like a crypto product that's, you know, touched millions of people. Most people don't even know it's a crypto product. Bankless nation, Joey Krug is a partner in Founders Fund. This is, Peter Thiel's, legendary VC firm. I'm sure you've heard of it. He was previously the co CIO at Pantera Capital. And before that, he was the cofounder of Augur. Safe to say, Joey is a crypto OG, also an Ethereum OG. It's been a while since we've talked to him. Joey, welcome back to Bankless. Thanks Thanks for having me. Alright. So it was 2022, actually, when we last had you on. It was, summer of that year, and a lot of things going on that summer. But, SBF was still running the exchange FTX at that time. So the full gravity of that bear market had not yet hit us. Catch us up since 2022. It's summer. What have you been doing? Yeah. Let's see. So since then, I I ended up, you know, moving over to Founders Fund. One of the partners here, I spend probably about, you know, two thirds, 70%, something like that, of my time on on crypto. And then the other third is just assorted kind of, you know, random interesting stuff that that people loop me into, some biotech stuff, some AI stuff, things things like that. Is crypto still interesting to you, Joey? Like, what's interesting about it? Yeah. Definitely. I mean, I think I think the thing that interests me about crypto is, if you look at kind of the most broken industries, you know, in in the world, in in my mind, they've always been, you know, basically three things, you know, the government itself, health care, and finance. And, you know, when when I got into crypto, my my logic was basically doing something in government seems just really annoying and and tough. Health care is also a lot of bureaucracy and, you know, takes a long time to to make any dent. And, you know, and I saw crypto in smart contracts basically applying sort of the idea of programmability to financial markets, I was like, that's an area where, you know, you can actually, you know, have have some level of impact on the world. And, yeah, I think it's went both slower and faster than I thought getting into it. But, yeah. I'm still still excited about crypto. You can now borrow USDC against your …