Under Secretary of State Sarah B. Rogers on dismantling the "Censorship Industrial Complex"

David and I are staying in a 300 year old house and, we both smashed our head on the beams twice already. But this is both our first Davos, David. Yes. First Davos. We've been here for twenty four hours and, any first impressions here? It's interesting. You know, we're we're staying very far away. Yeah. They didn't apparently, they didn't want you to be part of this. They didn't want me too close. Yeah. But we finally we got you finally got you an invitation. Your Your invitation did not get lost in the mail. My invitation didn't get lost in the mail this time. But as you watch the pod, you know what I'm talking about. Inside joke. Yes. But it's great to be here and, great to be here at USA House. Thanks to all the sponsors and really delighted for our first guest for the pod. Sarah Rogers works for is the undersecretary for public diplomacy at the State Department. For members here who don't know this position or what you've been charged with or what you've decided to work on. I'm curious about that. Do they tell you what to do or do you come up with your own mandate? But, yeah, tell us everything about what you're doing. Long time listener, first time guest, and thank you to both of us. Thank you from all of us at America House for joining us here. Yeah. So I am the undersecretary for public diplomacy. And when I got this nomination, my friends and family all congratulated me and then kind of furtively said, what is that? Yeah. So diplomacy traditionally concerns the relationship between the American government and foreign governments. Two ambassadors shake hands, make a deal, solve a war. But public diplomacy is different. Public diplomacy addresses the relationship between the American government and foreign publics. And this has become a very important undersecretariat with the rise of the Internet and then during the Biden administration, especially, these mushrooming concerns about so called disinformation and what do we do when there are allegedly malign influences on the public view of America, the public's intersection with American interests, how do we interact with the Internet and the information ecosystem. That is part of my portfolio. I also oversee other soft power activities, including our educational and cultural and sports diplomacy. So I am privileged to play a role in the World Cup this summer and the LA Olympics coming up and, the Fulbright program and others like it. So You seem It's a great job. Focused on freedom of speech and a little bit of tension between our standards and the companies in America, which have made the move to being strongly freedom of speech, something that kind of got lost in our industry for a couple years in technology, but has now made I think, some significant progress on. It does seem like some folks in Europe don't share our love of freedom of …