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Q&A: Should My Teen Go to College?

65 min episode · 3 min read
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Episode

65 min

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3 min

Topics

Career Growth, Personal Finance, Investing

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Key Takeaways

  • College Timing Strategy: Wait until age 24 to attend college when FAFSA considers students independent, eliminating parental income from financial aid calculations. This six-year window between 18-24 determines aid eligibility. Use this time to gain work experience, develop skills through certifications like phlebotomy (4-12 weeks training, $20-26/hour), real estate licensing (100 hours), or two-year vet tech programs while clarifying career direction and avoiding expensive degree changes.
  • Career ROI Research Method: Use Bureau of Labor Statistics to compare median incomes and required education across career paths before committing to degrees. Interview professionals currently working in target fields to understand daily realities and income variance. Fat tail distribution careers like journalism concentrate rewards in top 2% of earners while 98% earn modest incomes, contrasting with predictable income bands in fields like neurosurgery or dermatology where median starting salaries reach $280,000.
  • Graduate School Funding Advantage: Top tier graduate programs with large endowments provide full tuition coverage plus living stipends for candidates with substantial work experience. One example included full tuition, fees, and $6,000 monthly stipend for a Columbia master's program. Work experience becomes the qualification criterion for these funded positions, making delayed education financially advantageous compared to immediate undergraduate enrollment with debt.
  • Fiduciary Verification Process: Ask financial advisors three specific questions: Do you accept commissions on products you recommend? Do you have fiduciary duty to me at all times? Are you dually registered? Request the ADV document which legally discloses compensation structure regardless of verbal claims. Many advisors falsely claim fiduciary status without enforcement consequences, making commission structure the most reliable indicator of true fiduciary standing and potential conflicts of interest.
  • Assets Under Management Justification: The 1% AUM fee becomes worthwhile when clients consistently fail to implement financial plans independently. Multiple cases showed clients leaving money in wrong accounts for 3-5 years despite knowing better, missing market gains while avoiding the fee. The accountability and systematic implementation provided by AUM advisors produces better outcomes for people who lack follow-through, similar to paying gym trainers who ensure consistent attendance versus attempting solo workouts.

What It Covers

Paula Pant and Joe Saul-Sehy address three listener questions: evaluating college ROI for a 14-year-old, choosing between assets under management versus flat fee financial advisors, and whether to take dividends as cash when drawing down from a taxable brokerage account during Coast FI retirement.

Key Questions Answered

  • College Timing Strategy: Wait until age 24 to attend college when FAFSA considers students independent, eliminating parental income from financial aid calculations. This six-year window between 18-24 determines aid eligibility. Use this time to gain work experience, develop skills through certifications like phlebotomy (4-12 weeks training, $20-26/hour), real estate licensing (100 hours), or two-year vet tech programs while clarifying career direction and avoiding expensive degree changes.
  • Career ROI Research Method: Use Bureau of Labor Statistics to compare median incomes and required education across career paths before committing to degrees. Interview professionals currently working in target fields to understand daily realities and income variance. Fat tail distribution careers like journalism concentrate rewards in top 2% of earners while 98% earn modest incomes, contrasting with predictable income bands in fields like neurosurgery or dermatology where median starting salaries reach $280,000.
  • Graduate School Funding Advantage: Top tier graduate programs with large endowments provide full tuition coverage plus living stipends for candidates with substantial work experience. One example included full tuition, fees, and $6,000 monthly stipend for a Columbia master's program. Work experience becomes the qualification criterion for these funded positions, making delayed education financially advantageous compared to immediate undergraduate enrollment with debt.
  • Fiduciary Verification Process: Ask financial advisors three specific questions: Do you accept commissions on products you recommend? Do you have fiduciary duty to me at all times? Are you dually registered? Request the ADV document which legally discloses compensation structure regardless of verbal claims. Many advisors falsely claim fiduciary status without enforcement consequences, making commission structure the most reliable indicator of true fiduciary standing and potential conflicts of interest.
  • Assets Under Management Justification: The 1% AUM fee becomes worthwhile when clients consistently fail to implement financial plans independently. Multiple cases showed clients leaving money in wrong accounts for 3-5 years despite knowing better, missing market gains while avoiding the fee. The accountability and systematic implementation provided by AUM advisors produces better outcomes for people who lack follow-through, similar to paying gym trainers who ensure consistent attendance versus attempting solo workouts.
  • Dividend Harvesting During Drawdown: Take dividends as cash rather than reinvesting when drawing down taxable brokerage accounts because dividends create taxable events regardless of reinvestment. Harvesting dividends avoids selling appreciated holdings and triggering additional capital gains taxes while maintaining desired asset allocation. Use dividend cash for living expenses or to rebalance by purchasing underperforming asset classes, preserving the core portfolio structure without unnecessary tax consequences from selling winners.

Notable Moment

Joe Saul-Sehy revealed his daughter initially planned to pursue neurosurgery with a journalism minor, researching the $280,000 median starting salary versus $55,000 journalism income. After organic chemistry eliminated the medical path, she refocused on journalism with intense dedication, transforming from good student to exceptional because she understood the brutal income realities and needed to position herself in the top earning percentile.

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Episode Transcript

Joe, you have an English degree. Right? I do. Me be good at English. Have you used it? Have you ever been to England? I have been to England. Oh. I could I could converse with the natives. Wonderful. Well, that must have been very useful when you went to England. Incredibly useful. We've, got this question, which is, is a college degree worth it? We're gonna tackle that right at the top of the show. After that, we're going to talk about how to pick a financial advisor and specifically the assets under management model versus the flat fee per hour model. And we're also going to discuss whether or not you should take dividends as cash while you're drawing down from a brokerage account. Wow. I know it's wide ranging today. That's cool. I can't wait. Welcome to the Afford Anything podcast, the show that knows you can afford anything, not everything. The show covers five pillars, financial psychology, increasing your income, investing, real estate, and entrepreneurship. It's double I fire. I'm your host, Paula Pant. I trained in economic reporting at Columbia. Every other episode ish, I answer questions from you, and I do so with my buddy, the former financial planner, Joe Salcihi. What's up, Joe? I am super excited to be here with you today, Paula. Aw. Thank you. Thank you. Any reason that you're so excited today? It is a sunny day in Texarkana, and I get to hang out with my buddy, Paula, answering questions from the community. What could be better? Aw. Well, let's start with our first question, which comes from Blanca. I'm an immigrant mother of a 14 year old boy. I understand that in today's environment, going to college is not always the best financial decision. I wanna help my child learn how to evaluate strictly from a financial perspective whether an undergraduate or graduate program is a good investment. How can families assess if a college program is financially worthwhile? What factors should be considered to determine whether a degree is likely to be profitable over time? As someone who did not study in The US education system, I'd appreciate guidance on how to approach this conversation and analysis as well as resources that I can look into. Thank you very much. Blanca, thank you for the question. It is an important one because we're going through a a cultural paradigm shift right now. I'm a millennial. When I was a child, the dominant thinking was that college degrees are necessary. They were almost sacrosanct. I would even question your use of the word necessary because I think what you're trying to say, Paula, is that it it isn't so much that they were necessary that that it was a given. Maybe it wasn't necessary, but it's like people didn't ask if you're going to college or not. It was which college are you going to. So it was just, yeah, of course, you're going to college. And …

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