Ruby Thelot on Internet Culture, AI, and the Future of Taste
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34 min
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2 min
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Productivity, Personal Finance, Fundraising & VC
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Trend Verification Method: Before treating any online behavior as a cultural trend, analyze volume data across platforms. Ruby Thelot's firm examined 2,000 TikTok videos spanning five years to debunk heteropessimism as a rising phenomenon — finding dating content is actually 40–50% positive and has declined since 2020. Journalists' personalized algorithms distort perceived prevalence.
- ✓Machinic Taste Framework: Cloudflare data shows roughly 50% of internet traffic is now bots. As AI-generated content meets AI audiences, a three-way feedback loop emerges between human audiences, platform algorithms, and bots. Creators optimizing for this mixed audience risk producing content shaped entirely by machine preferences rather than human ones.
- ✓Balkanization and Babelification: Internet culture splits into insular micro-communities that develop unique internal vocabularies — a process Thelot calls Balkanization followed by Babelification. When terms like "looksmaxxing" escape their origin communities, meaning collapses across groups. Marketers and algorithms actively accelerate this fragmentation because niche audiences are easier to target and monetize.
- ✓Taste as Virtue, Not Preference: Taste emerged in 17th-century England as a moral guide for consuming virtuously amid new wealth — not merely as aesthetic preference. Thelot argues the same dynamic applies now: AI-driven content abundance creates the same pressure to develop principled consumption habits, making taste a practical tool for resisting algorithmic capture.
- ✓AI Sentiment Gap: Americans broadly distrust "AI" as a concept due to job-loss fears, yet actively use and appreciate tools like ChatGPT for practical tasks — one example being a mother who fixed a plumbing leak using a photo and AI guidance. The disconnect is linguistic: people separate useful tools from the threatening abstraction labeled "artificial intelligence."
What It Covers
Ruby Thelot, designer and NYU cyber ethnographer, joins the a16z podcast to examine how internet culture fragments into micro-communities, why taste functions as a moral framework during periods of technological abundance, and how AI bots are reshaping the feedback loops that determine what content gets made and consumed online.
Key Questions Answered
- •Trend Verification Method: Before treating any online behavior as a cultural trend, analyze volume data across platforms. Ruby Thelot's firm examined 2,000 TikTok videos spanning five years to debunk heteropessimism as a rising phenomenon — finding dating content is actually 40–50% positive and has declined since 2020. Journalists' personalized algorithms distort perceived prevalence.
- •Machinic Taste Framework: Cloudflare data shows roughly 50% of internet traffic is now bots. As AI-generated content meets AI audiences, a three-way feedback loop emerges between human audiences, platform algorithms, and bots. Creators optimizing for this mixed audience risk producing content shaped entirely by machine preferences rather than human ones.
- •Balkanization and Babelification: Internet culture splits into insular micro-communities that develop unique internal vocabularies — a process Thelot calls Balkanization followed by Babelification. When terms like "looksmaxxing" escape their origin communities, meaning collapses across groups. Marketers and algorithms actively accelerate this fragmentation because niche audiences are easier to target and monetize.
- •Taste as Virtue, Not Preference: Taste emerged in 17th-century England as a moral guide for consuming virtuously amid new wealth — not merely as aesthetic preference. Thelot argues the same dynamic applies now: AI-driven content abundance creates the same pressure to develop principled consumption habits, making taste a practical tool for resisting algorithmic capture.
- •AI Sentiment Gap: Americans broadly distrust "AI" as a concept due to job-loss fears, yet actively use and appreciate tools like ChatGPT for practical tasks — one example being a mother who fixed a plumbing leak using a photo and AI guidance. The disconnect is linguistic: people separate useful tools from the threatening abstraction labeled "artificial intelligence."
Notable Moment
Thelot describes being banned from LessWrong after posting an essay that later became a well-received talk at a New York venture capital firm. The episode illustrates how even analytically rigorous online communities enforce ideological boundaries that can suppress productive dissent from credible outside perspectives.
Episode Transcript
Americans don't like AI. Mhmm. AI is a very broad term. They all use chat. And like, I love it. I love I love chat. But they don't like AI. There's the boogeyman of, like, I'm gonna lose my job. Mhmm. But when I talk to mothers in Brian tags, it's like, oh, yeah. Like, I had a leak in my in my faucet, whatever. I took a photo Mhmm. And in about an hour or two, I was able to fix that thing. I love that. There's a bit of a language issue here around what does this technology do for me versus what is a negative impact that's coming in a somewhat near potential future. Today's episode comes from our list of recommended listening, where we feature standout conversations from people across our broader network. This one stuck with us for its thoughtful perspective on AI, Internet culture, and the ways technology is quietly reshaping how we communicate and relate to one another. MTS hosts, Sophia Du and Sophia Puccini are joined by designer, cyber ethnographer, and NYU professor Ruby J. Talot to discuss digital communities, online identity, taste, and what it means to live alongside rapidly evolving technology. Today, I am joined by my cohost, Sophia, as well as Ruby Justice Thurlow, who is a designer, artist, cyber ethnographer, and professor at the integrated design and media at NYU. So he's written about everything from Internet folklore to digital memory to AI companions, creativity, and the future of culture. And I think he has one of the most interesting perspectives on what it really means to live alongside this technology. So Ruby, I am so excited to have you on today. The question on everyone's mind, what is a cyber ethnographer? And also how has the field evolved through the years? So a cyber ethnographer is someone who studies groups of people online and how they behave and what they do. So my research ranges from studying furries all the way to now studying how people are using Instagram. Wow. I had a recent, a piece for Protein, where I asked people how they what they understood what what an Instagram story like meant to them. Mhmm. And so around 500 people, twin, 20 sort of closer interviews to build, a a lexicon, a glossary of what does this digital interaction mean to people. Is it content appreciation? Is it romantic affiliation? Or is it just, you know, friendship continuation, which are the three sort of the three part type meaning structure that I built for Instagram story likes. With the Mozilla Foundation recently, I did research on close friends. Mhmm. Okay. So we have this new thing now called close friends on Instagram. If you're in my close friends, are we acquaintances? Are we, like, families? And and how do we choose who gets to be in these different sort of digital spaces? These are novel behaviors that did not exist two years or three years …
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