Greg Brockman on Why OpenAI Says We’re Entering the AGI Era

We're now in the AGI era. Astra has really hit something that I'm like, okay. I think this is pretty reasonable to call it AGI. We've seen it run coherently for twenty four hours to go accomplish tasks that I think are quite amazing. The models will be plenty powerful, but it'll be hard to get to everybody given that we won't have enough compute to serve it all. You don't win the Super Bowl by saying, I wanna win the Super Bowl. You win it by blocking and tackling. You really have to make sure that safety, security, alignment, those are all standards that you're constantly up leveling. I think that's gonna be a huge challenge people are underestimating. You've made two very big bets in your career, helping build Stripe early and helping, of course, found OpenAI. The world needs to act with urgency. Yeah. We're in a very dangerous window right now. Declared a code red. We took 25% of our production engineers and said, sorry. All your projects are on hold. You are now defending. I, throughout OpenAI, have always focused on whatever is the most important problem. For the past two years, it's been the data centers, the infrastructure, the machine learning. Do you know what the next year will focus on? I think this is going to become the most important conversation. Ten years ago, Greg Brockman and Ilya Huskever estimated that AGI might be ten to fifteen years away. Today, Greg says we're entering what OpenAI calls the AGI era. In this episode, I sit down with Ben Horowitz and OpenAI cofounder and president Greg Brockman to talk about what has changed and what comes next. Greg explains why computer use could fundamentally change our relationship with software, how OpenAI used 10,000 agents to tackle a major mathematics problem, and why increasingly capable models are creating both new possibilities and new security risks. They also get into OpenAI's response to recent cybersecurity developments, why Greg believes defenders have a critical window to use Frontier AI to secure their systems, and how the company is thinking about safety as capabilities advance. Greg describes the AI he thinks we were actually promised, not another text box, but an assistant with memory and context that knows you, works proactively, and can help across both your personal and professional life. Greg, welcome to the AZNZ podcast. Thank you for having me. So, Greg, you've made two very big bets in your career, helping build Stripe early and helping, of course, cofound OpenAI. If we were talking ten years ago and you were predicting what would the world look like in 2026 as it relates to AI, would you be able to predict that we would be making the breakthroughs that you've made today? Or what would you tell them about what you would expect? Well, Ilya and I actually spent a lot of time trying to predict what it would look like, what the timelines would be. …