AI Agents and the Fight for Customer Data
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50 min
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Remote Work, Startups, Fundraising & VC
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Data foundation for AI agents: Companies do not need exotic new infrastructure to support AI agents. Existing modern data platforms — Snowflake, Databricks, or BigQuery — already serve as effective context layers for agents. Even Anthropic and OpenAI, both Fivetran customers, use standard centralized data lake architectures identical to traditional enterprises.
- ✓SaaS API lockdown response: When vendors like SAP restrict data access, CIOs should push back contractually. Fivetran publishes model MSA language at opendatainfrastructure.com that guarantees data portability rights. For contracts above $500k, explicitly negotiating data access clauses into MSAs yields results surprisingly often, even without legal escalation.
- ✓Data gravity is overstated: The belief that massive egress costs make data movement prohibitive is largely a myth created by poorly designed pipelines that copy entire datasets nightly. Change data capture replicates only incremental updates, making actual data transfer volumes across thousands of enterprise customers far smaller than conventional wisdom assumes.
- ✓AI agents as enterprise employees: Treating AI agents like human employees — giving them dedicated email addresses, phone numbers, Slack seats, and HR onboarding — proves more practical than building headless API-only systems. This approach slots agents into existing human-designed workflows without requiring companies to rebuild underlying systems from scratch.
- ✓SaaS-pocalypse is misdiagnosed: The real threat to incumbent SaaS companies is not AI replacing software categories wholesale. Software costs represent only 5–10% of enterprise headcount spend, making seat reduction an irrelevant optimization target. The actual risk is AI-native startups building equivalent products faster and potentially outcompeting incumbents on quality.
What It Covers
Fivetran CEO George Fraser and a16z's Martin Casado examine how AI agents are reshaping enterprise data infrastructure, why SaaS vendors like SAP are locking down API access, whether the "SaaS-pocalypse" is real, and how companies should structure data foundations to support agentic workflows.
Key Questions Answered
- •Data foundation for AI agents: Companies do not need exotic new infrastructure to support AI agents. Existing modern data platforms — Snowflake, Databricks, or BigQuery — already serve as effective context layers for agents. Even Anthropic and OpenAI, both Fivetran customers, use standard centralized data lake architectures identical to traditional enterprises.
- •SaaS API lockdown response: When vendors like SAP restrict data access, CIOs should push back contractually. Fivetran publishes model MSA language at opendatainfrastructure.com that guarantees data portability rights. For contracts above $500k, explicitly negotiating data access clauses into MSAs yields results surprisingly often, even without legal escalation.
- •Data gravity is overstated: The belief that massive egress costs make data movement prohibitive is largely a myth created by poorly designed pipelines that copy entire datasets nightly. Change data capture replicates only incremental updates, making actual data transfer volumes across thousands of enterprise customers far smaller than conventional wisdom assumes.
- •AI agents as enterprise employees: Treating AI agents like human employees — giving them dedicated email addresses, phone numbers, Slack seats, and HR onboarding — proves more practical than building headless API-only systems. This approach slots agents into existing human-designed workflows without requiring companies to rebuild underlying systems from scratch.
- •SaaS-pocalypse is misdiagnosed: The real threat to incumbent SaaS companies is not AI replacing software categories wholesale. Software costs represent only 5–10% of enterprise headcount spend, making seat reduction an irrelevant optimization target. The actual risk is AI-native startups building equivalent products faster and potentially outcompeting incumbents on quality.
Notable Moment
Fraser argues that Postgres, despite its widespread adoption, is fundamentally outdated technology burdened by decades of technical debt. He contends that database storage engines written by undergraduates in academic courses outperform Postgres architecturally — and that the industry needs an entirely new operational database built from scratch.
Episode Transcript
There is a new reason to have all your data in one place, which is AI agents need context. If you don't do that, then it's sort of like using ChatGPT from before ChatGPT was connected to the Internet. Postgres, contrary to popular belief, is very old technology. It is not a good database simply because it was written a long time ago and has a lot of technical debt. Asantia has said that there's gonna be the collapse of SaaS. Do you think the SaaS pocalypse is a thing, or we're gonna see a massive shift? The bigger threat is that AI native companies will just zoom and catch up to the established incumbents and maybe be better. Like, we'll actually have an HR, and that HR team will onboard AIs as they come. They'll be part of teams. They'll join the Slack. And in that world, these aren't software. That's actually more seats, more consumption of software. And so do you think that for enterprise agents, we're moving more to these, you treat them like humans, or do you think that that's too far? For years, companies built data infrastructure to answer questions about the business. Now, they're building it for AI. As agents become more capable, the challenge is no longer collecting data. It's making sure the right systems can access the right context at the right time. That shift is forcing companies to rethink everything from data platforms and APIs to enterprise software and systems of record. Martin Casado speaks with Fivetran cofounder and CEO George Frasier about AI data infrastructure and why the next wave of enterprise software may look very different from the last. So our guest today is George Frasier, who is the CEO of Fivetran. Fivetran announced the merger with DBT. So maybe to start, just give a quick overview of what Fivetran does. So Fivetran, we've been around for a while. We've been around since 2013, had customers since 2015. 2013? For ten years? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I've been doing this long enough that a slide about the past state in my own slides is the same slide as the future state from when I started. But what Fivetran does is we help our customers get all of their data from all their systems like Salesforce, NetSuite, all their SaaS tools, their own databases into one place. Getting all your data in one place, it's not a new thing. Businesses have had the need to do this since filing cabinets. The primary reason historically that people use Fivetran to get all their data in one place was to do business intelligence, was to build reports about things like, what's your revenue? What's going on with your sales team? What are we forecasting for this quarter? All those great things. And now there is a new reason to have all your data in one place, which is if you wanna use AI agents in business, AI agents need context. And it turns …
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“Fivetran publishes model MSA language at opendatainfrastructure.com that guarantees data portability rights.”
“Fraser argues that Postgres, despite its widespread adoption, is fundamentally outdated technology burdened by decades of technical debt.”
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“Existing modern data platforms — Snowflake, Databricks, or BigQuery — already serve as effective context layers for agents.”
“Even Anthropic and OpenAI, both Fivetran customers, use standard centralized data lake architectures identical to traditional enterprises.”
“When vendors like SAP restrict data access, CIOs should push back contractually.”
“Existing modern data platforms — Snowflake, Databricks, or BigQuery — already serve as effective context layers for agents.”
“Existing modern data platforms — Snowflake, Databricks, or BigQuery — already serve as effective context layers for agents.”
“Fivetran CEO George Fraser and a16z's Martin Casado examine how AI agents are reshaping enterprise data infrastructure”
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