20VC: Inside Accel's $4BN Growth Investing Machine | Cursor is Dead is Total BS: Here is Why | What Missing Rippling and ElevenLabs Taught Us | Are $2BN-$10BN IPOs Dead | Why Now is a Great Time to be Thoma Bravo with Miles Clements
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63 min
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Key Takeaways
- ✓AI Valuation Framework: Evaluate AI companies on two axes: time-to-value and durability-of-value. Coding tools like Cursor score high on both — users become productive within hours, and value compounds as teams scale agent usage. Legal and accounting AI scores low on time-to-value but high on durability. Vibe-coding apps score high on speed but collapse on durability. Map any AI investment against both dimensions before committing capital.
- ✓Cursor Agent Adoption Data: The "Cursor is dead" narrative ignores published metrics: 90% of Cursor users are daily active agent users, agent usage grew 15x last year, and the cloud agent product — live only since October — now accounts for 35% of all merged pull requests. When evaluating whether a product is losing relevance, prioritize usage intensity and engagement depth over anecdotal developer commentary on social media.
- ✓Missing Rippling — What Went Wrong: Accel passed on Rippling partly due to founder reputation concerns and rigid ownership thresholds at high valuations. The core miss was underweighting what Clements calls "marginal ease of ARR accumulation" — Parker Conrad's ability to build compounding revenue levers like laptop provisioning and IT leasing that seem unattractive standalone but become powerful as bundled revenue lines inside a platform business.
- ✓Revenue Predictions as Assumption Encoders: Cursor was projected to reach $300M ARR by year-end; it reached billions. Clements frames revenue forecasts not as targets to hold founders accountable to quarterly, but as encoded business assumptions — if pricing, product, and segment penetration work, this is the rough output. Missing by 10% in either direction is irrelevant for private investors; the inputs matter far more than the output number.
- ✓The $2B–$10B IPO Dead Zone: Companies going public in the $2B–$10B valuation range consistently struggle to break through to the next tier in public markets. The practical threshold for a viable IPO is clear line-of-sight to sustaining above $5B market cap. Below that, public market dynamics — including activist reports and macro sensitivity — create structural headwinds. Companies without Stripe or Databricks-scale optionality should reconsider timing and explore private liquidity alternatives first.
What It Covers
Accel growth partner Miles Clements discusses Cursor's $2B ARR trajectory, why the "Cursor is dead" narrative misreads agent adoption data, lessons from missing Rippling and ElevenLabs, the framework for evaluating AI company durability, and why the $2B–$10B IPO range has become structurally difficult for companies seeking public market success.
Key Questions Answered
- •AI Valuation Framework: Evaluate AI companies on two axes: time-to-value and durability-of-value. Coding tools like Cursor score high on both — users become productive within hours, and value compounds as teams scale agent usage. Legal and accounting AI scores low on time-to-value but high on durability. Vibe-coding apps score high on speed but collapse on durability. Map any AI investment against both dimensions before committing capital.
- •Cursor Agent Adoption Data: The "Cursor is dead" narrative ignores published metrics: 90% of Cursor users are daily active agent users, agent usage grew 15x last year, and the cloud agent product — live only since October — now accounts for 35% of all merged pull requests. When evaluating whether a product is losing relevance, prioritize usage intensity and engagement depth over anecdotal developer commentary on social media.
- •Missing Rippling — What Went Wrong: Accel passed on Rippling partly due to founder reputation concerns and rigid ownership thresholds at high valuations. The core miss was underweighting what Clements calls "marginal ease of ARR accumulation" — Parker Conrad's ability to build compounding revenue levers like laptop provisioning and IT leasing that seem unattractive standalone but become powerful as bundled revenue lines inside a platform business.
- •Revenue Predictions as Assumption Encoders: Cursor was projected to reach $300M ARR by year-end; it reached billions. Clements frames revenue forecasts not as targets to hold founders accountable to quarterly, but as encoded business assumptions — if pricing, product, and segment penetration work, this is the rough output. Missing by 10% in either direction is irrelevant for private investors; the inputs matter far more than the output number.
- •The $2B–$10B IPO Dead Zone: Companies going public in the $2B–$10B valuation range consistently struggle to break through to the next tier in public markets. The practical threshold for a viable IPO is clear line-of-sight to sustaining above $5B market cap. Below that, public market dynamics — including activist reports and macro sensitivity — create structural headwinds. Companies without Stripe or Databricks-scale optionality should reconsider timing and explore private liquidity alternatives first.
- •Investing as Art and Science: The science of investing is correctly valuing a company; the art is knowing when to break the rules. Accel lost ServiceTitan by rigidly capping vertical SaaS multiples at 6–10x forward revenue, missing a $9B outcome. Rules exist as defaults, not absolutes. When a founder can articulate a platform-scale outcome with clear market depth — even in vertical SaaS — the framework should bend to the evidence, not override it.
Notable Moment
Clements revealed he essentially relocated to San Diego and booked a hotel near Linear founder Karri Saarinen's apartment to be available if Saarinen decided to raise capital — running daily, attending a friend's birthday remotely, and flying back and forth — before Saarinen agreed to partner with Accel. The deal closed during one of Clements' most difficult personal periods.
Episode Transcript
Sometimes getting overly fixated on the financial metrics in this environment can leave you just like with an unsatisfying taste in your mouth. Growth can obscure and blind you to a lot of underlying ills in the business. I think you can actually be successful in this market investing in consensus. Investing is an art and a science. The science is understanding how to properly value a company, and the art is understanding when to break the rules. Focus on hitting singles and doubles and let the home runs take care of themselves. This is '20 BC with me, Harry Stebbings. Now stay. I'm thrilled to welcome a a dear friend to the show, Miles Clemens. Miles helps lead Excel's growth investing practice where he's backed some of the best in the business, including Atlassian, Linear, Cursor, and many more incredible companies. Now, Mars is an old friend, and so this was a very, how do I put it, no holds barred discussion. I think he put up with a lot of very pressing and prying questions, and I don't think you've ever heard an Excel partner be quite as open and honest as this, which was just fantastic. Miles really was very special to have on. But before we dive into the show today, over 80% of Fortune 100 companies are running their businesses with Airtable. Airtable combines AI with the scale of an award winning infinitely flexible no code system, a platform where you can see all of your data in one place and use it to make really big picture decisions. Think of it like mission control for your company. Airtable goes beyond organization and automating repetitive tasks. It lets you use your data to inform strategy, monitor progress, and take action. Every cell is capable of performing hundreds of AI powered tasks like web research or localization and using those results to inform and update hundreds or thousands of other cells and workflows in real time. Unlock the true scale of your workflows at www.airtable.com/20vc. Airtable, the infrastructure of innovation. And just like Airtable organizes your workflow data, Metaview organizes your conversation insights. This episode is brought to you by Metaview. Who says hiring has to be fair? Every founder, VC, and exec I speak with knows this. Your ability to hire is the biggest constraint on your company's growth. But recruiting is slow, it's subjective, and only getting more competitive. And that's why teams like Eleven Labs, Brex, and 5,000 other organizations use MetaView, the AI company giving high performance teams a real unfair advantage in hiring. MetaView's built a suite of AI agents that behave like recruiting coworkers. They proactively find candidates. They take interview notes automatically, and they help you surface the best candidates in process. For the first time, AI handles the recruiting toil and gives you a single source of truth. That means hours saved per hire and a team focused on what matters most, winning the right candidates as fast …
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