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20VC: Anthropic vs The Pentagon: Who Wins | The Ultimate Stock Picks: What to Buy | The Data Centre Arms Race: Is the Capex War Stalling | The Era of Public Company Deceleration is Dead

74 min episode · 3 min read
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74 min

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3 min

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Career Growth, Investing, Startups

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Key Takeaways

  • Anthropic vs. DOD blast radius: The Pentagon's supply chain risk designation costs Anthropic roughly $200M in direct government revenue — approximately 1% of their run rate at $1.5B annually — but the real damage is B2B sales friction. Prospects with any federal exposure are cutting deals in half or switching to OpenAI and xAI, which carry no equivalent designation risk. Legal consensus favors Anthropic on the merits, but winning in court won't end the political pressure.
  • CapEx cycle reality check: $600B in annual AI infrastructure spending across hyperscalers equates to roughly $4,000 per US worker. Oracle's Stargate pullback from 2GW to 1.2GW reflects a weak balance sheet, not demand collapse — Meta immediately absorbed the surplus capacity. The companies that can sustain spending (Meta, Google, Microsoft) are betting on 24/7 persistent AI agents requiring orders-of-magnitude more compute than current episodic usage patterns generate.
  • Junior role elimination as CapEx funding mechanism: Enterprise demand for AI agents is accelerating the elimination of entry-level positions in software development, legal, customer support, and sales. At Penn State, only six students in an entire CS cohort received tech offers. The budget freed from not hiring and training juniors is being redirected toward AI tooling and compute — making this a self-reinforcing cycle that accelerates data center investment.
  • Reacceleration as the only viable public market thesis: The era of "gentle deceleration" — where SaaS companies managed gradual growth slowdowns while expanding margins — ended in 2025. Public markets now reprice decelerating companies to 8-9x EBITDA with no premium. CloudFlare accelerated from 27% to 34% revenue growth with 40% net new customer growth year-over-year. Founders and portfolio managers should treat any company not actively reaccelerating as a terminal value story requiring immediate intervention.
  • Agentic B2B demand outpaces supply of deployment talent: The binding constraint for AI B2B companies like Intercom, Sierra, Harvey, and Legora is not product quality but forward-deployed engineers (FDEs) capable of onboarding enterprise customers within 30 days. Vendors without sufficient FDE capacity are losing deals regardless of agent performance. Founders building in this space should treat FDE hiring and training as a primary growth lever, not a post-sales afterthought.

What It Covers

Harry Stebbings, Rory O'Driscoll, and Jason Lemkin analyze four major stories: Anthropic's lawsuit against the Pentagon over a supply chain risk designation threatening billions in contracts, Oracle and OpenAI scaling back Stargate data center expansion, Meta absorbing surplus AI capacity, and CrowdStrike beating earnings while trading down, plus stock picks across six public companies.

Key Questions Answered

  • Anthropic vs. DOD blast radius: The Pentagon's supply chain risk designation costs Anthropic roughly $200M in direct government revenue — approximately 1% of their run rate at $1.5B annually — but the real damage is B2B sales friction. Prospects with any federal exposure are cutting deals in half or switching to OpenAI and xAI, which carry no equivalent designation risk. Legal consensus favors Anthropic on the merits, but winning in court won't end the political pressure.
  • CapEx cycle reality check: $600B in annual AI infrastructure spending across hyperscalers equates to roughly $4,000 per US worker. Oracle's Stargate pullback from 2GW to 1.2GW reflects a weak balance sheet, not demand collapse — Meta immediately absorbed the surplus capacity. The companies that can sustain spending (Meta, Google, Microsoft) are betting on 24/7 persistent AI agents requiring orders-of-magnitude more compute than current episodic usage patterns generate.
  • Junior role elimination as CapEx funding mechanism: Enterprise demand for AI agents is accelerating the elimination of entry-level positions in software development, legal, customer support, and sales. At Penn State, only six students in an entire CS cohort received tech offers. The budget freed from not hiring and training juniors is being redirected toward AI tooling and compute — making this a self-reinforcing cycle that accelerates data center investment.
  • Reacceleration as the only viable public market thesis: The era of "gentle deceleration" — where SaaS companies managed gradual growth slowdowns while expanding margins — ended in 2025. Public markets now reprice decelerating companies to 8-9x EBITDA with no premium. CloudFlare accelerated from 27% to 34% revenue growth with 40% net new customer growth year-over-year. Founders and portfolio managers should treat any company not actively reaccelerating as a terminal value story requiring immediate intervention.
  • Agentic B2B demand outpaces supply of deployment talent: The binding constraint for AI B2B companies like Intercom, Sierra, Harvey, and Legora is not product quality but forward-deployed engineers (FDEs) capable of onboarding enterprise customers within 30 days. Vendors without sufficient FDE capacity are losing deals regardless of agent performance. Founders building in this space should treat FDE hiring and training as a primary growth lever, not a post-sales afterthought.
  • Stock picks framework — growth tier segmentation: The panel segments public market bets into three tiers: value plays at 8-9x EBITDA (Salesforce, Intuit, Toast); GARP at early-teens EBITDA (CrowdStrike, Atlassian); and story-priced momentum stocks above 30x EBITDA (Palantir, CloudFlare, Shopify). Consensus picks include CrowdStrike for cybersecurity durability, Palantir for two-year administration tailwinds, CloudFlare for AI infrastructure positioning, and Nubank as an underappreciated high-growth fintech entering the US market.

Notable Moment

The panel calculates that Anthropic's entire Pentagon revenue loss — $200M annually — represents roughly 1% of their current run rate, meaning the existential threat isn't financial but reputational: the designation creates B2B sales ambiguity that competitors exploit in live deals, a dynamic far more damaging than the direct contract loss itself.

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Episode Transcript

And I think the consensus is in law, anthropic will probably win a good slug of this case, which is different than saying they're gonna win the fight. The idea that you can just have all this shed for free is at some point going to stop because someone's gonna have to cover their nut. I I think getting rid of juniors is where we get budget for these data centers in part. It's gonna sound really cold. You can have dispossessed urban poor forever and nothing happens. But if you piss off the 20 year old middle class, the overeducated elites, they tend to cause trouble. OpenAI and Entropic have the most amount of surface area to attack of any company in the world right now. The era of gentle deceleration has ended. It's dead. This is 20 VC with me, Harry Stebbings, and it's my favorite show of the week. Rory O'Driscoll, Jason Lemkin analyzing the biggest news in tech this week. First on, Anthropic sues the US government for being labeled a supply chain risk, Oracle and OpenAI end plans to expand flagship data center, Meta moves in to absorb the surplus AI data center capacity. Then Crowdstrike, they beat expectations but trade down. And then finally, we have our stock picks. What to buy, what to sell, public market predictions coming up. But before we dive into the show today, are you a founder working nonstop to raise your next round? Are you an investor doing all you can for your portfolio companies to help them stand out? Funding and scaling your vision is challenging. Banking should not be. HSBC Innovation Banking caters to tech and health care founders all over the world who need a really great banking partner that matches their pace, offering fast onboarding, product packages designed for your business, and capital solutions built for high growth start ups and the VCs investing in them. With HSBC Innovation Banking's rapid onboarding, you can get access to your new accounts and facilities quickly so your team can stay focused on building and scaling what's next. You'll be paired with your own dedicated team of venture ecosystem veterans who have the network and experience to guide companies in your specific sector at your specific stage. And behind that support is this real strength, HSBC's $3,000,000,000,000 balance sheet and global network that provides this stability and international reach needed to grow your operation with confidence. To see how HSBC Innovation Banking can support you, whether you're on day one or day a thousand, visit innovationbanking.hsbc to learn more and connect with an innovation banking specialist. That's innovationbanking.hsbc. While HSBC manages your corporate banking needs, Deal helps you build the global team behind it. Founders scale start ups faster on Deal. Grow without borders. Deal handles the hard parts of global hiring so you can stay focused on growth. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, and get visas handled fast. Deal takes …

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