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20Sales: ElevenLabs: Why We Set a 20x Sales Quota | How to Structure Sales Compensation Plans | Customer Success: 'Total BS' or Growth Engine? | Building an AI Sales Machine: What Tools & Tactics Must CROs Adopt Today with Carles Reina

84 min episode · 3 min read
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Carles Reina

Episode

84 min

Read time

3 min

Topics

Productivity, Relationships, Investing

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Key Takeaways

  • Sales Quota Design: Set quotas at 20x rather than the industry-standard 6-8x to extract peak performance from top talent. When two reps hit their full-year quota by February, Reina treated it as validation rather than miscalibration. Accelerators kick in at 1.1x, 1.2x, 1.3x, and 1.5x above quota, with an additional 25% commission layer added for each year of tenure on the account.
  • AI Revenue Agents vs. AI SDRs: Outbound AI SDR tools fail because they treat every prospect identically, driving email response rates below 0.01%. Instead, build internal AI agents for inbound handling, RFP scanning, and customer success draft generation. ElevenLabs' AI customer success manager scans all customer data, drafts personalized emails in the customer's language, and has already closed deals — pay full human commission rates on AI-closed contracts.
  • Customer Success as Revenue Function: Customer success should be structured as a money-generation unit, not a satisfaction function. In an AI-competitive environment where a rival product can be built in two days, CS teams must drive expansion, cross-sell, and long-term contract lock-in. Charging for every professional services interaction turns the relationship transactional and destroys community retention — balance services fees with relationship investment.
  • Pipeline Construction Framework: Before entering any market, map the number of enterprise targets, calculate average deal size (e.g., $100K), and design each rep's pipeline to include both large strategic whales and smaller liquid deals to maintain team confidence. Segmenting into vertical sales teams too early — as happened in India — can depress an entire quarter's revenue. Return to horizontal coverage until sufficient pipeline volume justifies specialization.
  • Corporate VC as Distribution Channel: Negotiate with corporate venture arms (e.g., Deutsche Telekom Capital, Waffen Capital from Toyota, Liberty Global) to tie investment allocation to revenue commitments. For every $1M invested, partners must generate a defined revenue threshold within 12-24 months or face buyout penalties. This aligns incentives, accelerates enterprise access, and provides deep industry knowledge — ElevenLabs used this to enter telco, automotive, and financial services simultaneously.

What It Covers

Carles Reina, CRO at ElevenLabs, details how he scaled the company from zero to $350M ARR by setting 20x sales quotas, building AI-powered revenue functions, structuring commission plans with accelerators, deploying corporate VC partnerships as distribution channels, and running pipeline construction frameworks borrowed from venture portfolio theory.

Key Questions Answered

  • Sales Quota Design: Set quotas at 20x rather than the industry-standard 6-8x to extract peak performance from top talent. When two reps hit their full-year quota by February, Reina treated it as validation rather than miscalibration. Accelerators kick in at 1.1x, 1.2x, 1.3x, and 1.5x above quota, with an additional 25% commission layer added for each year of tenure on the account.
  • AI Revenue Agents vs. AI SDRs: Outbound AI SDR tools fail because they treat every prospect identically, driving email response rates below 0.01%. Instead, build internal AI agents for inbound handling, RFP scanning, and customer success draft generation. ElevenLabs' AI customer success manager scans all customer data, drafts personalized emails in the customer's language, and has already closed deals — pay full human commission rates on AI-closed contracts.
  • Customer Success as Revenue Function: Customer success should be structured as a money-generation unit, not a satisfaction function. In an AI-competitive environment where a rival product can be built in two days, CS teams must drive expansion, cross-sell, and long-term contract lock-in. Charging for every professional services interaction turns the relationship transactional and destroys community retention — balance services fees with relationship investment.
  • Pipeline Construction Framework: Before entering any market, map the number of enterprise targets, calculate average deal size (e.g., $100K), and design each rep's pipeline to include both large strategic whales and smaller liquid deals to maintain team confidence. Segmenting into vertical sales teams too early — as happened in India — can depress an entire quarter's revenue. Return to horizontal coverage until sufficient pipeline volume justifies specialization.
  • Corporate VC as Distribution Channel: Negotiate with corporate venture arms (e.g., Deutsche Telekom Capital, Waffen Capital from Toyota, Liberty Global) to tie investment allocation to revenue commitments. For every $1M invested, partners must generate a defined revenue threshold within 12-24 months or face buyout penalties. This aligns incentives, accelerates enterprise access, and provides deep industry knowledge — ElevenLabs used this to enter telco, automotive, and financial services simultaneously.
  • Event ROI vs. Conference Spend: Executive dinners of 15 people costing $3,000-$5,000 consistently outperform trade show sponsorships on ROI. Inviting competing prospects to the same dinner creates natural FOMO since attendees know each other's procurement cycles. For owned events, keep content non-salesy — feature customer case studies and partner showcases rather than product pitches — and track both direct closed revenue and influenced pipeline separately to justify the investment.

Notable Moment

Reina revealed that ElevenLabs powers many of its own voice AI competitors — including companies like Sierra and Decagon — through its foundational API layer. Rather than restricting access, he personally called each competing platform's founders before launching ElevenLabs' own agents product to warn them directly, framing coexistence as a feature of a large enough market.

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Episode Transcript

We had two employees that in February had already achieved the entire full year quota. Customer success needs to be a money generation function for the business. The role of a CRO is fundamentally thinking about, like, not the revenues today, but the revenues of tomorrow. Let's do the things that no one is doing. That is what makes me passionate and that is what a good CRO I think needs to be doing because we're not here to do easy stuff. It's like the fastest product in terms of revenues that we've ever had. It's just insane. If you wanna do something, budget is never gonna be a problem. This is 20 VC with me, Harry Stebbings, and I'm so excited to welcome a dear friend, Carlos Reina. Carlos is the CRO at Eleven Labs, one of the fastest growing companies on the planet. He was also one of the first investors there. He scaled the revenue org from zero to over 350,000,000 in ARR. This is a master class in scaling sales in an AI first world. On top of that, Carles is also an incredible investor with his own solo GP fund, Baobab Ventures, which has backed the likes of Revolut and, of course, Eleven Labs in the early days. But before we dive into the show today, a quick shout out to a company I've been genuinely blown away by and have been tracking closely, ROX. I've been watching this team closely and the speed they're operating at and the level of applied AI talent they've assembled, it's honestly remarkable. ROX is pioneering revenue agents for the global 2,000, plugged into your data warehouse and CRM and delivering board level ROI in just ninety days. These sales and revenue agents handle the end to end sales process for large enterprises from research prep to deal risk, outreach, and opportunity management. So sellers spend more time with customers and less time in tools. This isn't another productivity app. Christ, we've all had enough of those. Rocks gives reps a single interface on top of their GTM stack powered by a knowledge graph across your internal and external data. So if you wanna boost AE productivity, increase revenue per rep, and consolidate your stack, try ROX at rox.com slash sign up. And speaking of great companies, we have to talk about Monaco. For years, I've watched some of the best founders and early go to market teams struggle with sales. Too many CRMs, too many point solutions, too much manual work. Well, that changes with Monaco. Monaco replaces your legacy CRM and fragmented sales stack with a single AI native platform. Monaco's agents automatically build and score your entire TAM, lay in real time signals, create and run outbound sequences, schedule calls, and record and transcribe meetings. Your pipeline practically manages itself. Monaco creates reminders, drafts follow-up emails for you, and keeps deals moving forward. So that means more meetings, higher conversion rates, and faster revenue growth. If …

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