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Do You Care Too Much What Other People Think of You? Avoid Conflict? Say Yes When You Shouldn't? | Dr. Ingrid Clayton, Fawning Expert

75 min episode · 2 min read
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Ingrid Clayton

Episode

75 min

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2 min

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Career Growth, Relationships, Crypto & Web3

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Key Takeaways

  • Fawning Definition: Fawning is a hybrid trauma response combining sympathetic nervous system activation (mobilizing toward relationships) with hypoarousal (dissociation from self). This simultaneous occurrence explains why fawners lean into harmful relationships while disconnected from their own needs, making the behavior unconscious and reflexive rather than a conscious choice.
  • Chronic vs Situational: Chronic fawning develops when children must appease caregivers during brain development, becoming their default personality. Situational fawning occurs in specific power imbalances like workplace hierarchies. Both stem from the body prioritizing safety, but chronic fawners operate in survival mode constantly, even without present threats.
  • Nervous System Regulation: Use sensory awareness to regulate your nervous system by deliberately noticing five things you see, hear, or feel in your environment. Walking in nature while orienting to natural objects provides accessible regulation. These practices bring you into present time and embodied awareness, shifting from external hypervigilance to internal connection.
  • Modified Boundaries: Start boundary-setting by identifying what parts of a request you can accommodate rather than binary yes/no responses. Example: Instead of watching someone's child all evening when exhausted, offer to help until 9pm. This nuanced approach makes boundaries more accessible for fawners who fear complete rejection or conflict.
  • Unfawning Process: Begin inner work by placing your hand on your heart and asking what you notice in your body right now, building self-relationship before attempting boundaries with others. Test small assertions with safe people first, like correcting a waiter's mistake, allowing your nervous system to gather experiential evidence that speaking up can be safe.

What It Covers

Dr. Ingrid Clayton explains fawning as a trauma response where people appease others to reduce relational threat, discussing chronic versus situational fawning, physiological impacts, power dynamics, and practical steps to unfawn through nervous system regulation and boundary setting.

Key Questions Answered

  • Fawning Definition: Fawning is a hybrid trauma response combining sympathetic nervous system activation (mobilizing toward relationships) with hypoarousal (dissociation from self). This simultaneous occurrence explains why fawners lean into harmful relationships while disconnected from their own needs, making the behavior unconscious and reflexive rather than a conscious choice.
  • Chronic vs Situational: Chronic fawning develops when children must appease caregivers during brain development, becoming their default personality. Situational fawning occurs in specific power imbalances like workplace hierarchies. Both stem from the body prioritizing safety, but chronic fawners operate in survival mode constantly, even without present threats.
  • Nervous System Regulation: Use sensory awareness to regulate your nervous system by deliberately noticing five things you see, hear, or feel in your environment. Walking in nature while orienting to natural objects provides accessible regulation. These practices bring you into present time and embodied awareness, shifting from external hypervigilance to internal connection.
  • Modified Boundaries: Start boundary-setting by identifying what parts of a request you can accommodate rather than binary yes/no responses. Example: Instead of watching someone's child all evening when exhausted, offer to help until 9pm. This nuanced approach makes boundaries more accessible for fawners who fear complete rejection or conflict.
  • Unfawning Process: Begin inner work by placing your hand on your heart and asking what you notice in your body right now, building self-relationship before attempting boundaries with others. Test small assertions with safe people first, like correcting a waiter's mistake, allowing your nervous system to gather experiential evidence that speaking up can be safe.

Notable Moment

Clayton shares how she risked her clinical psychology career by showing her full self on social media, including her trauma survivor identity and creative side. Instead of professional ruin, being wholly seen by others created transformative validation that changed her relationship with herself and proved wholeness is possible.

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Episode Transcript

Hearing a voice can change everything. So AT and T wants everyone to gift their voice to loved ones this holiday season because that conversation is a chance to say something they'll hear forever. AT and T, connecting changes everything. It's the 10% Happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris. Hello, my fellow suffering beings. How are we doing today? Here's a question for you. It's a long question. Do any of the following behaviors describe you either chronically or episodically? Do Do you find yourself caring too much about what other people think about you? Do you say yes when you don't want to? Do you avoid conflict, sometimes pathologically? Do you appease other people? Do you go along to get along? And are you frequently in a state of hypervigilance and anxiety? If any of that describes you, if you answered yes to any of those questions, you may be in the habit of something called phoning. Let me just say here from the outset, some people are in a chronic state of phoning. Others do it occasionally. I think I'm in the latter category. Either way, there are practical tools to turn down the volume on fawning, or as my guest today says, to unfawn. Doctor Ingrid Clayton is a licensed clinical psychologist and the author of a book called Fawning. In this conversation, we talk about what fawning is, chronic versus situational fawning, the physiological ramifications of fawning, how power plays into all of this, ways to get some clarity around unseen bruises and wounds that might drive your behavior, owning your anger and how to express it in healthy ways, how to know if you're a fawner, some practical steps to unfawn, accessible approaches to regulating your nervous system, how to set boundaries, fawning and unfawning in a work context. And her observation, which I've been thinking about a lot, that wounding happens in relationships, but so does healing. This episode comes with a guided meditation for our subscribers over at danharris.com. It comes from our teacher of the month, Jeff Warren, and it is designed to help you withstand outside pressures and set boundaries. In other words, to unfawn. Jeff will be doing our next live meditation and Q and A session tomorrow at four Eastern. So So if you sign up at danharris.com, you can get our meditations that come with our Monday, Wednesday episodes, and also get invited to our weekly live meditation sessions. Finally, if you wanna make a real difference this giving season, 10% Happier is part of Pods Fight Poverty, teaming up with dozens of podcasts like The Happiness Lab with Lori Santos, Hidden Brain, and many more to do something big to lift three entire villages in Rwanda out of extreme poverty. We're shooting for a million dollars raised before the end of the year, which will lift over 700 families out of poverty. So visit givedirectly.org/dan to join pods fight poverty. That's givedirectly.org/dan, and we will put a link …

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