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Buddhist Monks On: Letting Go of Shame, The Opposite of Depression, and Dealing With Criticism | Ajahn Kovilo and Ajahn Nisabho

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Buddhist Monks

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71 min

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3 min

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Health & Wellness, Relationships, Investing

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Key Takeaways

  • Biweekly Confession Practice: Every two weeks, meet a trusted accountability partner and openly name actions that fell short of your values. Use a simple three-part formula: state the transgression, confirm you recognize it, commit to future restraint. Research on car insurance reporting shows that affirming your identity as an honest person before acting increases truthful behavior measurably. Follow confessions with gratitudes to balance the practice.
  • BAGEL Framework for Giving Feedback: Before speaking, run through five checks — Beneficial (does this help them?), Accurate (is it true?), Gentle (is the tone kind?), Expedient (is the timing right?), and Loving kindness (is your intention clean?). If even a sliver of contempt or annoyance remains, wait — fifteen minutes of delay after emotional activation is often enough to resolve what felt like an irresolvable conflict.
  • Receiving Feedback — Two-Point Check: When criticism arrives, regardless of how poorly it is delivered, hold two questions: Is this true? And, am I being provoked into reactivity? Use the Nonviolent Communication structure — Observation, Feeling, Need, Request — to respond rather than react. Physically slowing the breath, placing a hand over the heart, and directing loving kindness inward reduces the physiological activation that drives defensive responses.
  • Saranya Generosity Practice: Give something before consuming each day — food, time, or resources. This practice, rooted in a direct Buddha teaching, counteracts the overwhelm of global suffering by converting passive anxiety into concrete action. Practical forms include carrying protein bars to give away before eating, serving a family member first, or committing to a weekly volunteer shift. Action absorbs anxiety more effectively than consuming more news.
  • Morning Loving Kindness Reset: In the first fifteen minutes after waking, before the mind crystallizes around arguments, plans, or anxieties, direct attention to the heart and generate a loving kindness mantra — "may they be well, may they be happy." This orients the day's emotional trajectory along warmth rather than reactivity. Even ten minutes of metta practice at day's start pays compounding dividends across subsequent interactions and decisions.

What It Covers

American Buddhist monks Ajahn Kovilo and Ajahn Nisabho from Clear Mountain Monastery in Seattle share three practical frameworks drawn from monastic life: a biweekly confession practice for accountability, the Buddha's five-point BAGEL framework for giving and receiving feedback skillfully, and a three-part sila-samadhi-panna approach for maintaining mental clarity amid modern life's chaos.

Key Questions Answered

  • Biweekly Confession Practice: Every two weeks, meet a trusted accountability partner and openly name actions that fell short of your values. Use a simple three-part formula: state the transgression, confirm you recognize it, commit to future restraint. Research on car insurance reporting shows that affirming your identity as an honest person before acting increases truthful behavior measurably. Follow confessions with gratitudes to balance the practice.
  • BAGEL Framework for Giving Feedback: Before speaking, run through five checks — Beneficial (does this help them?), Accurate (is it true?), Gentle (is the tone kind?), Expedient (is the timing right?), and Loving kindness (is your intention clean?). If even a sliver of contempt or annoyance remains, wait — fifteen minutes of delay after emotional activation is often enough to resolve what felt like an irresolvable conflict.
  • Receiving Feedback — Two-Point Check: When criticism arrives, regardless of how poorly it is delivered, hold two questions: Is this true? And, am I being provoked into reactivity? Use the Nonviolent Communication structure — Observation, Feeling, Need, Request — to respond rather than react. Physically slowing the breath, placing a hand over the heart, and directing loving kindness inward reduces the physiological activation that drives defensive responses.
  • Saranya Generosity Practice: Give something before consuming each day — food, time, or resources. This practice, rooted in a direct Buddha teaching, counteracts the overwhelm of global suffering by converting passive anxiety into concrete action. Practical forms include carrying protein bars to give away before eating, serving a family member first, or committing to a weekly volunteer shift. Action absorbs anxiety more effectively than consuming more news.
  • Morning Loving Kindness Reset: In the first fifteen minutes after waking, before the mind crystallizes around arguments, plans, or anxieties, direct attention to the heart and generate a loving kindness mantra — "may they be well, may they be happy." This orients the day's emotional trajectory along warmth rather than reactivity. Even ten minutes of metta practice at day's start pays compounding dividends across subsequent interactions and decisions.
  • News and Phone Boundaries as Sila Practice: Treating media consumption as an ethical discipline — no news before morning meditation, no phone after 6PM, one news-free day per week — functions as a form of virtue practice. The Buddhist framework reframes this not as avoidance but as protecting the mind's capacity for brightness. Being miserable about the world's suffering does not honor that suffering; bringing a clear, warm mind to action does.

Notable Moment

The monks describe the Buddha's ultimate monastic punishment not as physical hardship but as communal silence — the entire community simply stops speaking to a monk who refuses feedback. This reframes ostracism as a spiritual consequence, and underscores that being genuinely easy to receive criticism from is treated as a core virtue, not a personality preference.

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Episode Transcript

This is the 10% happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris. Hello, my fellow suffering beings. How we doing? Today, we're gonna talk to a fascinating pair of American Buddhist monks about how to get stuff off your chest when you need to vent your spleen, how to live with less shame and regret, how to give feedback without pissing people off too much, how to accept feedback without getting pissed off yourself or getting defensive, how to stay sane in a crazy never ending news cycle, why being miserable about the state of the world doesn't actually help anything, and how to cultivate the opposite of depression. Let me just say before we get too far into this that I think there might be a reflex among some of you to think, well, what do celibate monks know about navigating the complexities of human relationships or about navigating life in the real world? And the answer, as it turns out, is a lot. Especially these monks who are quite young and yet incredibly smart and experienced. Said monks both go by their formal Buddhist names which start with the word Ajahn. Ajahn is the Thai word for teacher or master. So my guests names are respectively Ajahn Kovilo and Ajan Nisabo. Together, they have founded the Clear Mountain Monastery, which is based in Seattle. They also host a podcast of their own, which is called the Clear Mountain Monastery Project. Before we dive in though, I do wanna quickly tell you about a meditation challenge, a free one that we're running over on my new app which is called 10% with Dan Harris. This is a five day challenge inspired by a new Audible book or an Audible original. It's an audio book. It's called Even You Can Meditate which I co wrote and co recorded with the great seven a Selassie. The challenge starts on March 23 and alongside the daily meditations that you'll get from seven a, seven I will also do two live meditation and q and a sessions. So there's a lot going on here. There's the release of the Audible book, Even You Can Meditate, and then there's the challenge that runs alongside or is in celebration of the release of this Audible original. You can get all the details if you go to danharris.com or you can just download the app wherever you get your apps. Alright. We'll get started with Adjane Kobielow and Adjane Nisebo right after this. You know what I love to have in my environment? Greenery. I love having plants indoors. Always have loved that. And I also, of course, now that we live in the suburbs, love having nice trees Did you know that Fast Growing Trees is America's largest and most trusted online nursery with thousands of trees and plants and over 2,000,000 happy customers? They have all the plants your yard or home needs, including fruit trees, privacy trees, flowering trees, shrubs, and house plants, all grown with …

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